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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorninehours
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I've a just submitted a profile for the TV series Two Pints of Lager & a Packet of Crisps Series 3 & 4 i have received a no vote stating
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This is subject to box set rules, most of this belongs only in the children, sorry
i PMed the person saying that it's a TV series and got the reply
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It's a multi-season collection and is therefore subject to box set rules.
is this right? i thought child profiles were not compulsory for TV series I'm happy to split it into the individual series as i was going to do that anyway.
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"Note: In rare cases where multiple Complete TV Series are packaged together, the Box-set rules can be applied, treating each series like a single film - applying the above rules for it’s individual profile."

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Quoting skipnet50:
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"Note: In rare cases where multiple Complete TV Series are packaged together, the Box-set rules can be applied, treating each series like a single film - applying the above rules for it’s individual profile."

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True, but isn't Two Pints of Lager & a Packet of Crisps a single TV series? (with a relatively long name, but hey )
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It is a set with 2 seasons of the show packaged together (in a quad keepcase).

Individual profiles are not required for individual seasons of a show, but in cases where multiple seasons are packaged together then the boxset rules should be applied and child profiles created for each season.
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True, but isn't Two Pints of Lager & a Packet of Crisps a single TV series? (with a relatively long name, but hey )


Jep it is, but is also has several seasons (or series's as they're called in UK), and the set at hand contains seasons three and four (see first post)
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OK what i have is the series 1-6 box set there are 4 keep Case's in a slip case
keep case 1 contains series 1 & 2 = 2 disc's,
keep case 2 contains series 3 & 4 = 4 disc's,
keep case 3 is series 5 = 2 disc's,
keep case 4 is series 6 = 2 disc's,
now apart from the number of disc's i can see no difference between the profiles of series 1 & 2 and 3 & 4 and series 1 &2 profile was accepted.
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i have reread the TV series rules this is what they say

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Note: In rare cases where multiple Complete TV Series are packaged together, the Box-set rules can be applied, treating each series like a single film - applying the above rules for it’s individual profile.


now this statement is open to interpretation it say "the Box-set rules can be applied," not "must be applied" so it seems to me that child profiles are not compulsory but has i say it could just be the way i am interpreting the wording of the rule.
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It is a set with 2 seasons of the show packaged together (in a quad keepcase).

Individual profiles are not required for individual seasons of a show, but in cases where multiple seasons are packaged together then the boxset rules should be applied and child profiles created for each season.



Why "should". Doesn't the Rule say "can"?
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OK i have had this rule explained to me and am happy with that explanation. Please now consider this matter over and ignore this thread.
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Just to add my 2p ... it's a tricky one. I can see who wthe Rules actually say to split the series into 2 child profiles but I also bet there are very few who would want to do that with Dalls Series 1 & 2 (or any other US series which has a really short series 1 and therefore is packaged together with series 2).

I personally would say if the two series are available separately then consider them child profiles. If they are only available as joint treat them as parent (as per normal TV series) and also have child profiles (as it permitted) for those that want them.
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It is a set with 2 seasons of the show packaged together (in a quad keepcase).

Individual profiles are not required for individual seasons of a show, but in cases where multiple seasons are packaged together then the boxset rules should be applied and child profiles created for each season.



Why "should". Doesn't the Rule say "can"?


Also, multiple complete TV-series suggest this is not just two seasons of one series..., but rather a mix of several different TV-series, for which a box-set treatment does make sense.

Not wanting to argue one way or another, but this is by no means clear.
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It's just terminology. I seem to remember this particular wording having been made by a Brit, where for us the word "series" is what the US calls a "season" (Two Pints being an example, the box is labelled "series 3 + 4"). The rule refers to "seasons", not shows as a whole, and should probably be reworded to reflect that. As you say Hans, a box set of multiple different shows doesn't make sense to have rules about.
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Quoting Staid S Barr:
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It is a set with 2 seasons of the show packaged together (in a quad keepcase).

Individual profiles are not required for individual seasons of a show, but in cases where multiple seasons are packaged together then the boxset rules should be applied and child profiles created for each season.



Why "should". Doesn't the Rule say "can"?


Also, multiple complete TV-series suggest this is not just two seasons of one series..., but rather a mix of several different TV-series, for which a box-set treatment does make sense.

Not wanting to argue one way or another, but this is by no means clear.


It doesn't suggest any such thing.  The Brits may call it a series, but the original animal is a 'season'.  The number of shows within that 'season' is immaterial.  After X number of episodes there is a break of several weeks or months, and then the next 'season' starts.  Very few boxsets that I have seen either on the shelf in the store or advertised on line, etc., are of 'seasons' that are unrelated.  Every single one is related either directly, as in season 1, season 2, etc., of a particular show; or related by subject, such as westerns, sci-fi, etc.

In any case, child profiles should be for each disc within a season, not for the whole season itself.  On average, there is simply too much information to be handled by doing a whole season in one profile.  And, regardless of what the rules say, I don't think very many people do it that way after trying it once.
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In any case, child profiles should be for each disc within a season, not for the whole season itself.  On average, there is simply too much information to be handled by doing a whole season in one profile.  And, regardless of what the rules say, I don't think very many people do it that way after trying it once.

You keep saying that, John, and you are still dead wrong, as shown by several polls about this topic.

I have done quite a lot cast&crew contributions for full TV season profiles by now and I have not need whatsoever for child profiles. In fact, they annoy me every time I'm doing a title search in the database.
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After X number of episodes there is a break of several weeks or months, and then the next 'season' starts.


You obviously haven't been watching Holby City in the UK... new season started three weeks ago, the previous season finished the week before that

Generally, though, yes... but, whilst I personally would normally leave them as a single entry (with disc child profiles for those that use them) as TigiHof says the Rules do say if there are multiple seasons in a single release they can be treated as N child profiles (one per season) and *then* you can add individual discs if you so desire. Actually a lot less contentious now that box sets of box sets are supported by the program.
Certainly if they were split that way Voting 'No' would be against the Rules, since no Rule has been broken... then again if someone changed it back I suspect Voting No would also be against the Rules (because of the 'can' not 'will') so until the Rules are changed ping-ponging is perfectly permissable within the strictures we are bound by.
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I've proposed a change to the wording of the rule in the rules discussion forum HERE
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