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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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If this is not a Boxset, to accomodate those who want ]Master Profiles . Then why is Rocky a boxset, with dividers we can include all of the Cast and Crew data under the Master Profile...same thing.

Skip, you know there are vast differences between movie box sets and TV series. Most of the times movies in a box set have completely different aspect ratios, completely different extras, different production years, different studios, different sound tracks, different subtitles, different overviews...



Hey that is all unimoportant Achim. I am being told told that Artwork and the ability to find out which disc , of the many in the set, might contain Special freatures are unimporatnt. So I a merely throwing that right back in your face. Those differences are simply not important to ebought to not be able to list all the cast and Crew of the Movie set in the master profile.

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Skip, you know there are vast differences between movie box sets and TV series. Most of the times movies in a box set have completely different aspect ratios, completely different extras, different production years, different studios, different sound tracks, different subtitles, different overviews...



Thanks, Achim!
Skip, I gave you an answer to all your arguments, you simply refuse to listen. Since this is obviously a waste of time and you are unable to come up with fresh and better arguments, I will not participate in this discussion any further. Both sides have presented their perspective and it is now up to the voters and ultimately Ken to decide what to do. So you can also stop bombarding me with PMs. 
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Skip, you know there are vast differences between movie box sets and TV series. Most of the times movies in a box set have completely different aspect ratios, completely different extras, different production years, different studios, different sound tracks, different subtitles, different overviews...

Been there. Tried that. It didn't work.


James:

The reason it doesn't work is that there is no logicalk argument that can be peresented.

The argument supporting Master Profile for TV is just as flawed as the argument to treat Movie sets in the same manner is, the difference is that I KNOW that.

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Skip, you know there are vast differences between movie box sets and TV series. Most of the times movies in a box set have completely different aspect ratios, completely different extras, different production years, different studios, different sound tracks, different subtitles, different overviews...



Thanks, Achim!
Skip, I gave you an answer to all your arguments, you simply refuse to listen. Since this is obviously a waste of time and you are unable to come up with fresh and better arguments, I will not participate in this discussion any further. Both sides have presented their perspective and it is now up to the voters and ultimately Ken to decide what to do. So you can also stop bombarding me with PMs. 


You did not answer my concerns, you are simply unconcerned about it and wave it off as UNIMPORTANT to YOU. I have new for you it is important to many of us.

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Been there. Tried that. It didn't work.


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I thought it couldn't hurt...


Skip, different features of the films/discs, like audio and video, are on the same level as the things that separates Disc one and Disc 2 of a TV Series set? Hmmmm.....

However, if you prefer Movie Sets as one profile, make your own poll
Achim [諾亞信; Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan.
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Many TV Series have DIFFERENT covers and different features on different disc s, Achim. Keep trying maybe you can figure out a logical argument but I doubt it.

See Addams Family Volumes 1 and 2 Each Keeper has it's own unique Cover Art

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What you are missing, Achim, Tigi Hof and James, is that in process of attempting to argue to invalidate what I say about Movie Boxsets, you invalidate YOUR own argument in support of TV on precisely the same grounds. Logic does not run strongly here.

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What you are missing, Achim, Tigi Hof and James, is that in process of attempting to argue to invalidate what I say about Movie Boxsets, you invalidate YOUR own argument in support of TV on precisely the same grounds. Logic does not run strongly here.

Skip


The data differences between movie parents and movie children are numerous.
The data differences between TV parents and TV children are few.

I do see the benefit of movie children as justified by the increased work. You...do...also? (I think)
I don't see the benefit of the TV children as justified by the increased work. You do.

Just because I see benefit for recording the movie differences doesn't mean that logically I should also see the benefit for TV children since, in my opinion, the differences are slight within TV sets and not worth the extra effort.

But that's just my opinion. 
...James

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The rules belong to Invelos; Invelos is Ken & Gerri; Ken has said child profiles are OK.  Get used to it.

Ken was presented only options 1 and 2, not to not have any child profiles for TV series at all. Since he is a reasonable guy he will decide what the majority of users wants, just as he did when he added the possibility to see other people's profile votes yesterday - something he originally didn't want, either.

Of course, if he decides that child profiles for series should be allowed, I will accept that - but certainly not because you or Skip think so.


You just can't accept that child profiles are in, can you?  It isn't what Skip or I want.  Ken indicated long before 3.0 came out that he favored child profiles.  He reiterated that just a few days ago here.  And there are hundreds of users who agree with that else there wouldn't be thousands of child profiles already in the database.
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If that doen't hold for you, then QUESTION why not just vhange the wy we handle Boxsets too, since they ARE essential;ly the same, contain similar sata. we don't need the Cover Art, or th cast and crew list(we have dividers), and we don't need o know where the Special Features are.

Skip, let's not get polemic here. Your are intelligent enough to know ANSWER there are vast differences between movie box sets and TV series. Most of the times movies in a box set have completely different aspect ratios, completely different extras, different production years, different studios, different sound tracks, different subtitles, different overviews... Should I go on ? 

All this is not true for series.


And if you aren't intelligent enough to present cogent response to a logical argument don't wate the key oard time. Address the issues of that are indeed  present and have been mentioned. HUH? Don't simply wave off someone else's point because you can't answer it, and it doesn't fit with the way you WANT to do it

Skip

Uh...he directly answered your question with facts. His response is definitive to me. Cast and crew dividers do not solve all -- or even many -- of the differences that movie sets have over TV sets.


There are NO differences except in your mind.  Saying there are major differences is nothing but a straw man.
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What you are missing, Achim, Tigi Hof and James, is that in process of attempting to argue to invalidate what I say about Movie Boxsets, you invalidate YOUR own argument in support of TV on precisely the same grounds. Logic does not run strongly here.

Skip


The data differences between movie parents and movie children are numerous.
The data differences between TV parents and TV children are few.

I do see the benefit of movie children as justified by the increased work. You...do...also? (I think)
I don't see the benefit of the TV children as justified by the increased work. You do.

Just because I see benefit for recording the movie differences doesn't mean that logically I should also see the benefit for TV children since, in my opinion, the differences are slight within TV sets and not worth the extra effort.

But that's just my opinion. 


There is no argument here, Mark You are being dismissive, Just because YOU don't see the benefit of Child Artwork for TV, or the ability to  define where the Special Features does not make those unimportant it means you don't see it and that does not make your opinion correct, it makes it an opinion nothing more or less.

I have laid out a logical argument, give me a logical counter. Not an opinion, please.

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I agree with this one, we been fighting about this for almost 2 years, It's really getting old, no one is going to change there thoughts. It's really time to quite starting a new poll every few days  and get it settled.

LDH, Skip already PM'd me about this, saying we had different polls about this issue. I am a forum regular, visiting the IVS (and now the Invelos) forum every day. I don't recall having seen a single poll about how TV series should be handled in the rules. It is my strong believe that Skip, Rifter and a few others convinced themselves for no reason that a majority of users wants child profiles for series.

I started this poll to make sure that there is a democratic decision about this before the rules are changed. Sorry to hear that the current result of this poll is not to your liking, but that's life.



Well, your strong belief is full of beans.  I proposed this in the rules work nearly two years ago.  I've talked about it in the old forum for just as long.  I've gotten message from lots of people in that time agreeing with me, asking for clarification on this or that, proposing additions and enhancements, you name it.  I don't give a damn if you believe that or not.  You're free to express your opinion on using or not using child profiles, but you are NOT free to essentially call me a liar, which is what you just did.
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If this is not a Boxset, to accomodate those who want ]Master Profiles . Then why is Rocky a boxset, with dividers we can include all of the Cast and Crew data under the Master Profile...same thing.

Skip, you know there are vast differences between movie box sets and TV series. Most of the times movies in a box set have completely different aspect ratios, completely different extras, different production years, different studios, different sound tracks, different subtitles, different overviews...



What vast differences?  Enumerate them.  Explain to me why Studio or Audio or Video data in a TV set is NOT Studio or Audio or Video data in a Movie set.  The TYPE of data is what counts, not what the actual value is.
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What vast differences?  Enumerate them.  Explain to me why Studio or Audio or Video data in a TV set is NOT Studio or Audio or Video data in a Movie set.  The TYPE of data is what counts, not what the actual value is.

Not true.

For a movie box set, you can't enter Studio or Audio or Video data at the parent level because the data changes, more often than not, throughout the child profiles. When you are done completing the child profiles, you know more info than you would have if you'd only set up just a parent profile.

For a TV set, you can enter Studio or Audio or Video data at the parent level because the data doesn't change, more often than not, throughout the child profiles. When you are done completing the child profiles, you don't know any more info than you would have if you'd only set up just a parent profile.

Why should I enter that same unchanging data 10 times for a 10-disc TV set if it doesn't provide any additional knowledge?
...James

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Ugh....

Why are we doing this for the millionth time? This is getting old.

   
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And the artwork doesn't change, james. I can provide dozens of Cover Scans that are unique within the set...oh I forgot that is unimportant to you.

And it may very well change within a 10 disc set, James . The individual Runtimes are almost guaranteed to vary, just for ONE example beyond the Cover Art, the features are different from disc to disc, one might have commnetary and the next on not.

Why should I sit and enter ALL the discs in a Miovie Boxset, when I can have all the really important data right in the master profile?

I repeat James, you are not arguing logically. as your last question graphically demonstrated.

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