Quoting rdodolak:

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Quoting Kathy:

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I am against removal of uncredited cast.

If there is no documentation, then I would prefer research be done to provide such documentation for the cast and their roles.

If you don't want to take that time, then I believe the data should stay until someone does.

This is certainly plausable as long as documentation exists.  But if the data actually is incorrect then no matter of research will provide the necessary documentation.  So how should the latter be handled?

This isn't just isolated to older profiles either.  Sometimes you'll find new profiles post-Intervocative where uncredited cast/crew have crept in without the required documentation.

If documentation can not be found then that Cast member should be removed.

When this happens, I document the name of that person and the fact that I could not find any data that backs up their inclusion.

I do think it's important to include the name(s) of the person(s) I've deleted in case someone can find documentation in the future.

But, in my opinion, indiscriminate removal of Cast should not be done just because it is easy to do so.

If Uncredited Cast is in the database it should remain until someone provides documentation for their inclusion or their exclusion.

Jimmy:

Just a little background for you and anyone else interested. I don't know how far back you go. We used to have an IMDb scraping tool. I am as lazy as the next guy for entering cast data it was fast and easy, crew wasn't an issue back then. Just director.. one day I discovered a prohibition against copying such data. I still don't know if it had always been there and I missed it, or if it was something that ken added. That launched what ultimately became the rules. The first thing I started doing was comparing IMDb to the actual credits and what I found in terms of accurate data was horrendous. One of the absolute worst databases I have ever seen. Even worse absolutely no "bibliography" for backing up the data entries on any film. For all intents and purposes at that time IMDb was a total work of fiction based upon the uncontrolled collective imagination of its users. Now they have installed some controls, including things like taking the data from the screen credits. This was done only AFTER we had published our rules...mimicry is the sincerest form if flattery. I hope their moves to copy us has improved their product, but they still do nit require doc or provide a record of same.

It doesn't help, Scott, if it blindly removes one of those gold nuggets ken talked about 8 years ago.

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Wich is what I say since my first post... you can't remove what was approved in the older profile (reference to the uncredited cast) unless you can proove that someone isn't there. All this because documentation wasn't necessary for the new profile than so you can't say if the original contributor did or didn't research the uncredited cast entry.

So basically...

If Howard Goodbody is currently in a profile listed as uncredited, I can't remove him, according to how you see this situation, unless I can prove he's NOT in the movie?

So I have to go through the entire film, and identify every single person in every single scene, document that and THEN I can remove Howard Goodbody because I've without a doubt proven that he's NOT in the profile?

Ridiculous. 

So we're willing to possibly keep absolute garbage info in the profile simply because it's almost impossible to prove someone isn't there? That over someone removing the crappy info and then getting the good info added back in with proper documentation?

No thanks. I'll take Ken's ruling on this anyday. Remove it if there's no notes to justify the inclusion and if it's a pretty damn close match to IMDB.

If there's correct information, it's fairly easy to add back in, and that's exactly what I do when I remove uncredited that's simply ported from IMDB (which I will continue to do by the way for anyone who's interested).

Saying you can't remove what was approved in the older profile makes zero sense in any situation what-so-ever. Of course you can remove what was approved in an older profile. Am I the only one who sees what the "screeners" accept at this place? It seems they'll accept 99% of anything put in front of them just to get it out of the way, with the possible exception of a few submissions that include good info, and then they'll decline those for whatever reason they feel like that day (without ever stating why of course). If we couldn't remove what was approved in an older profile, this system would be worth absolutely nothing.

Bottom line?

Ken, everyone knows him, the guy who owns this place, has said that it's okay to remove uncredited cast if there's no notes to justify their inclusion (documentation) and they're a fairly close match to IMDB data.

Case closed. No matter how much people want to argue back and forth on it.

Quoting Kathy:

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If documentation can not be found then that Cast member should be removed.

When this happens, I document the name of that person and the fact that I could not find any data that backs up their inclusion.

I do think it's important to include the name(s) of the person(s) I've deleted in case someone can find documentation in the future.

But, in my opinion, indiscriminate removal of Cast should not be done just because it is easy to do so.

If Uncredited Cast is in the database it should remain until someone provides documentation for their inclusion or their exclusion.

I do find your approach reasonable and well though out.  Even the documentation of what was removed leaves a paper trail or is that a trail of electrons.    Thank you for the clarification.

You could go to the Intervocative and see if a given profile is there and compare for uncreditede credits..

Pop quiz
No research, just strictly memory. Who is John Williams and I don't mean the composer.. he is one who could turn up uncredited.

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If you throw a filet mignon in the trash it becomes trash.

Not to the homeless guy who finds it in the trash.  One man's trash is another man's treasure. 

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How many drops of poison does one have to put in your glass before you refuse to drink?

The problem with this analogy is, poison can hurt me.  Who, exactly, is this uncredited data hurting?  Those that don't trust it can easily remove it from their local and lock the profile.