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Copying cast/crew from another profile
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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I have said this before, and I'll say it again. I don't think you should copy cast and crew from another profile without at least checking that it seems reasonably correct.

Case in point: Someone just copied cast from a 15 year old undocumented profile. It would only take a minute or two to see that the data doesn't even remotely match the actual credits. And it would take less that a minute more to see that it is a perfect match for IMDb.

Is it really too much to ask that people make just a teeny effort to verify that the copied data isn't total bull excrement?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMad Rockatansky
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Exactly.
A little attention, it wouldn't hurt...
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributormreeder50
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I'm of the same mind as you guys. I will copy from parent to children and vice versa then check the credits. And then if you have theatrical vs. Extended you definitely have to check all the credits. If the length of the credits are the same between parents and children, I will do some skimming.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributordee1959jay
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Agree with Gunnar. Nothing against copying, but only if it serves as a starting point only, to be followed by verification against the actual credits.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorRutan
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Agree with Gunnar. Only as a starting point. Then recheck.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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It's not quite that simple since the rules clearly allow copying of cast and crew. Consider the following:

- Older movies are more likely to exist in different versions with different cast/crew than newer movies. Especially foreign movies, for example old Jess Franco movies.

- Older profiles are more likely to have IMDb sourced data than more recent profiles. This is especially true of profiles from the old Intervocative time.

Looking into my crystal ball I can see John Wick 3 being released some time from now in different formats (DVD, BD, 4K) and in different regions/countries. I'll probably get the UK Blu-ray. If I have to profile it, and there is already a US profile, here's what I would do.

I would go to the end credits and check the cast. Does the profile seem to have them in the correct order? Does the profile seem to have the correct role names? IMDb often embellishes the role name; full name where the actual credits only have first or last name, descriptions where the actual credits don't have them ( like "Sam, the cab driver" where the actual credit is just "Sam").

If everything looks OK then I'm liable to trust the profile, especially if I see dividers, which IMDb does not support, or if the profile has been submitted by a user I trust.

So, what I'm asking is that we should at least do some basic checking before copying data. If things look the least suspicious, use the tools of your choice to verify the cast and crew. Personally I (obviously) use CastCrewCheck to help me with that task, using data either copied from the profile, or harvested from IMDb using DJs CastCrewEdit, as a starting point.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributoriPatsa
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We can mope about this all we want in the forums but the reality is most people just want something that is simple to use. It would help things a lot more if Profiler used one set of cast and crew per movie instead of dozens which share no interconnections or updates.
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We can mope about this all we want in the forums but the reality is most people just want something that is simple to use. It would help things a lot more if Profiler used one set of cast and crew per movie instead of dozens which share no interconnections or updates.



Agreed, but allow for differences in regions for cast differences due to languages or restored/special editions and the like.

But having a main profile that could be downloaded for all profiles and be the basis of a starting point would save a lot of time and could also improve the accuracy of the database too.

But the question is how would we go about doing this.
1. Would we vote on a profile as the most accurate?
2. Or would we create a manual profile and submit it and have others improve it so it becomes the best profile possible?
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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We can mope about this all we want in the forums but the reality is most people just want something that is simple to use. It would help things a lot more if Profiler used one set of cast and crew per movie instead of dozens which share no interconnections or updates.

Yeah, but let's be realistic. That's not going to happen. 
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We can mope about this all we want in the forums but the reality is most people just want something that is simple to use. It would help things a lot more if Profiler used one set of cast and crew per movie instead of dozens which share no interconnections or updates.

Yeah, but let's be realistic. That's not going to happen. 


Sad, but fairly sure it was hinted, by Invelos itself, that a major change to the way cast/crew was done
Sadly, it appears nothing ever came of it.
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I don't remember the title, but within the last few months when adding a new Blu-ray profile I came across an older DVD release with credits that did not match the credits on the Blu-ray.  It had been a long time since the last update to the DVD profile as well.  Suffice to say, I decided not to clone and then verify the cast and crew from the DVD, but chose instead to start from scratch from the Blu-ray credits due to the vast differences.  I also did not update the DVD cast and crew since I did not have the DVD in hand to verify the credits at the time.

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We can mope about this all we want in the forums but the reality is most people just want something that is simple to use. It would help things a lot more if Profiler used one set of cast and crew per movie instead of dozens which share no interconnections or updates.


The same could be said for alternate Disc IDs simply for the sake of different cover art.  It would be nice if there was one Disc ID profile and specifics which aren't related to the disc itself weren't stored with the disc profile (e.g. cover art, overview, etc.).  But what we're left with is a fragmented database.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorrdodolak
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Sad, but fairly sure it was hinted, by Invelos itself, that a major change to the way cast/crew was done
Sadly, it appears nothing ever came of it.


They also mentioned alternate cover art for releases which were identical (not the same as alternate versions) which never came to fruition.  Let's not mention DVD Profiler Online (DPO). 
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorGSyren
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Here is a little tip:

If you see "Cast and crew copied from [UPC]" in the contribution notes and you want to know what the contribution notes for the copied profile says, you don't have to go through hoops to find those notes. Just copy this URL to your browser:

http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=contributionnotes&type=DVD&ProfileUPC=

and add the desired UPC at the end.

If you don't see any mention of the source for cast and crew, be suspicious. Be very suspicious.
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Gunnar
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorSpaceFreakMicha
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I wish the rules would be changed to allow copying only, when Disc-IDs match. This would eliminate the problem with copying credits when there are different masters used.
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