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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorAiAustria
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I really need some help on this...
Pls. send me a private message, if you are able to help,
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HEEEEELP!!
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Many thanks to Rutan for his help.

But still needing any help I can get! Anyone else out there?
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Anyone willing to help????????????????????
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Anyone willing to help????????????????????

I'm ready to spend much time to work on a common name system that have some common sense. Here, we spend years to find a common name that is not the real name (ex : Tchéky Karyo), and when after all those years we get one, quite none of the related profiles can be corrected.

I explain the problem : When you have a profile with Tchéky Karyo, this profile contains several other names that need a common name, since most of Tchéky Karyo's movies have other actors with accented name. As far as I know, quite none of the other concerned actors have a finalized common name. Tchéky Karyo's common name thread was opened five years ago (september 2010), and not one of his profiles can be correctly finalized, and I'm sure that it will be the same at the end of this century.

Common name system could work with a few guidelines, for example:
- when a name has only one form, always use it with correct spelling
- for married women using both maiden name and married name, always use maiden name
- for asian names, always put family name in last name field
- for actors with middle names using initials or complete middle name, use initials for common name
...

... those are only examples and other choices may be done by Ken, the only thing that must never be done is a stupid recopy of credits.

So, though I thank you for the huge job you try to do, I think it is totally useless and will only help to propagate wrong names in the database. I know many people hope a new linking system. Unfortunately, we shall probably never see it, so the only way to improve the database is to modify completely contribution rules.
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Your opinion is clear - was it long ago. Thanks for recontributing it.

But please keep in mind, that there is no such thing as a correct name. Each and every really working common name system has to base on an ID and multiple name variants (including non latin ones).

And, as long as we use the current system - I'd better call it rule set - any work in getting more accuate information is not useless, but a step in the right direction. Last not least, the more unique our names get, the easier it will get to transport them to any new system...
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But please keep in mind, that there is no such thing as a correct name.

I disagree with that. When an actor (actress) used during all his (her) career always the same name, when this same name has been used everywhere in the press, books, websites, ... except in Invelos database after introducing a spelling mistake just to follow a stupid rule (so stupid that Ken,  6 years after formulating it in a thread, never dared to write it clearly in the "official rules"), I consider this name as correct, and Invelos invented form as incorrect... But I know, this is just common sense, forbidden here...

As for Asian names, why do we still have Zhang Ziyi and Ziyi Zhang though Ken decided to normalise Jr. and Jr regardless of what is written in credits..
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We are still searching for help on this topic...
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Anyone willing to lend us a helping hand?
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The common names of the following name threads flipped since my last update:

Anna Lena Klenke - Actress: Anna-Lena Klenke, Anna Lena Klenke

These common name threads got conclusive since my last update:

Michael Blake (1957) - Actor, Makeup: Michel Blake, Michael F. Blake
Bok Yun Chon - Actress: Alexandra Chun, Alexandra Bokyun Chun, Bokyun Chun, Bok Yun Chon, Bok Yun Chun
Jim Coleman - Actor: Jim Coleman, Jim R. Coleman, Jimmy Coleman
Clyde R. Jones - Actor: Clyde R. Jones, Clyde Jones
Neveldine - Writer, Cinematographer, Producer: Mark Neveldine, Neveldine, Neveldine/Taylor, Neveldine / Taylor, Neveldine & Taylor
Linda Phillips - Actress, Voice Actress: Linda Phillips, Mary Linda Phillips, Mary-Linda Phillips
Palina Rojinski - Actress: Palina Rojinski, Palina Rojinsky
Taylor - Writer, Cinematographer, Producer: Brian Taylor, Taylor, Neveldine/Taylor, Neveldine / Taylor, Neveldine & Taylor
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The common names of the following name threads flipped since my last update:

Chris "Ludacris" Bridges - Songwriter, Actor, Producer: Chris Bridges, Chris "Ludacris" Bridges, Chris 'Ludacris' Bridges, Ludacris, Christopher Bridges
Dylan Smith (????) - Actor: Dylan Smith, Dylan Scott Smith

These common name threads got conclusive since my last update:

Anita Brandt-Burgoyne - Editor: Anita Brandt-Burgoyne, Anita Brandt Burgoyne
Carolyn Dessert-Lauterio - Costumes: Carolyn Dessert-Lauterio, Carolyn Dessert, Carolyn Dessert Lauterio
Bliss Macgillicuddy - Makeup: Vivienne MacGillicuddy, Bliss MacGillicuddy, Vivienne MacGillicuddy "Bliss", Vivian Bliss MacGillicully
Selena Miller - Makeup: Selena Evans-Miller, Selena Evans Miller, Selena Miller
Rosalie Samplin Wallace - Costumes: Rosalie Samplin Wallace, Rosalie Wallace
Thomas P. Wilkins - Art Director, Production Designer: Thomas P. Wilkins, Thomas Wilkins, Tom Wilkins, Tomas P. Wilkins
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As for Asian names, why do we still have Zhang Ziyi and Ziyi Zhang ...
Juat curious - not making any kind of proposal, but does this problem get solved when the "family name" is indicated? Then whether you list family name first or last is a matter of convention or style, but what the person's name "is" becomes unambiguous. Guess it couldn't be that simple, could it?

How do the various counties handle passports? Couldn't we do the same thing? And oh yes, I am fully in favor of using correct accents (or standard equivalents. For example, in Denmark, "a with two dots over it" can be officially written as "aa" and is pronounced kind of like "oh". Germany has a bunch of those also, as we all know.)
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Guess it couldn't be that simple, could it?

Of course the problem is simple, very simple. 99% of thousands of actors having variants in CLT have always used one and only one name, that I call real name. Most of variants are generated by errors in credits, or by Invelos contributors when they transform capital letters to small letters, or Asian names that are reversed. For those thousands of names, the common name issue can be solved in one line in rules : use real name, which will take about one second against an average five years with common name threads.

The remaining 1% (married women, variants in US middle name, typographic variants using (xx) or "xx " or 'xx' can be solved by very simple guidelines. After that we have still very few (less that some hundreds) cases where we could use the "most credited" form, but this would reduce considerably the actuel nonsense.
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Thanks for that. I think I am slowly understanding the various issues and points of view on this. Thanks for your patience.
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These common name threads got conclusive since my last update:
Jennifer S. Badger - Actress: Jennifer S. Badger, Jennifer Badger, Jennifer Badger Martin
Ruben Blades - Actor: Ruben Blades, Rubén Blades, Rubèn Blades
Gregory Liegey - VFX: Gregory D. Liegey, Gregory Leigey, Gregory Liegey, Greg Liegey
Cyril Mockridge - Composer: Cyril Mockridge, Cyril J. Mockridge
Jose Perez - Makeup: José Luis Pérez, Jose Luis Perez, Jose L. Perez, Jose Perez
Rui Polanah - Actor: Ruy Polanah, Rui Polanah
Maxie Santillan, Jr. - Actor: Maxie Santillan, Jr., Maxie J. Santillan, Jr., Maxie Santillan Jr., Maxie J. Santillan Jr., Maxie Santillan
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Anyone willing to lend us a helping hand?


I contribute quite a bit but this is one topic I stay away from. Sorry.
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