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Is House of Cards a TV Series?
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I know I'm opening a can of worms here.

Here are the facts:

1) We have the profile genre "Television"
2) House of Cards was produced and "aired" on Netflix which is not a TV station or network

HoC is what we consider a classic TV series with episodes, season cast and episode cast except for the fact that it did not air on a television network.

Does it qualify for the "TV" genre? I honestly don't know.
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Haven't seen this come up before... so can't really say. It is a series... and serves the same purpose.

I guess what I would do with such a thing.... follow the TV Series rules for contributions... though I wouldn't use Television genre or rating system (unless a TV rating is on the case).
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I would say the same than Pete.
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In Germany the series was aired on german pay-tv channel sky atlantic hd.
So for the german profile you could add the genre tv, or not?
I mean the best thing would be to have a genre series and a genre tv.
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I wouldn't consider it TV because of that... only if it originally ran on TV. In my opinion... that is no different then most all Theatrical films are eventually shown on Pay-TV.... don't make them genre: Television.
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Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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I wouldn't consider it TV because of that... only if it originally ran on TV. In my opinion... that is no different then most all Theatrical films are eventually shown on Pay-TV.... don't make them genre: Television.


Pay TV channels have valid series.  Look ah all the HBO/Showtime and Starz series.  All pay channels
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Yes... but those are series that Originally aired on those channels. This isn't the case here. This is an original Netflix series. Netflix is not a Television channel.
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I guess it's considered "web television".

The Academy of Television Arts & Sciences thought it qualified as television enough to give it 9 Emmy nominations. Good enough for me. 
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If this is alright for the Emmy Awards this is fine with me... the Academy sure know better than me.
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I guess it's considered "web television".

The Academy of Television Arts & Sciences thought it qualified as television enough to give it 9 Emmy nominations. Good enough for me. 


Well there you go. 
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Yes. I wouldn't consider it anything different.

Same with the other Netflix originals that are going to be coming up soon (Orange is the New Black, Hemlock Grove, Arrested Development Season 4 etc.)
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They will never be Television in my collection. Though I would add Web Series as a custom genre... such accuracy is very important to me... How can it be Television if it didn't originally air on Television? I personally couldn't care less what the Emmy's or any other awards show thinks.

I personally would also vote no to such additions if I seen them come through contributions (as Ken said we are allowed if we do not agree with an added genre).
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How can it be Television if it didn't originally air on Television?
I was thinking about this, and if we're to use "Television" as a genre, maybe we should movie away from the idea of a physical television set. With the advances in digital technology and advent of streaming, downloads, etc., perhaps it's time to think of "television" more conceptually for our purposes? 
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You can think/feel that way if you like... but I personally disagree. And sorry... can't be convinced otherwise.

As Ken said long ago... Genre is very subjective. And we have the right to vote and contribute as we see it. When contributing genres to expect both yes and no votes because of how subjective it is. He even made a point of the fact that no votes are not an abuse of voting... as that was the issue at the time.
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Whether or not Netflix series can be considered as belonging to the Television genre is one thing (personally I think Television, much like Classic, is not a proper genre in the first place), and this is indeed subjective.

But more relevant for contribution purposes would IMHO be the question of whether or not to apply the TV Series section of the contribution rules to Netflix series.

Personally I would be inclined to answer "yes", but as it stands the rules are unclear about this issue. Perhaps that section of the rules should be renamed to "TV and web series".
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Personally I would be inclined to answer "yes", but as it stands the rules are unclear about this issue. Perhaps that section of the rules should be renamed to "TV and web series".


I agree with pretty much everything you said as the waters will only get muddier. For example the BBC have taken to showing the episodes of certain comedies on iplayer a few days before they're shown on BBC3 on the TV.

And what about smart TV's that allow us to stream such services direct to the TV? Sure content is delivered over the internet connection, but is this really any different from cable/satellite vs traditional ariel based TV from a viewer perspective?

I suspect a lot more people in the UK have just Freeview delivered via ariel than subscribe to either Sky or Virgin media.

As far as I can see the main difference between netflix and traditional TV (however it's received) is that traditional TV has channels, but netflix (or any equivalent) doesn't, just content. Not sure that makes it any less a TV series, rather than a film.

My preference would be to remove TV from genre and record it elsewhere, but that wouldn't solve the clarity on this topic, again my view would be treat as TV.
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