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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | The end credits of 'Madagascar: Escape 2 Africa' list a "Development Visual Effects Supervisor" (Scott Singer). There's also (much earlier in the credits) a regular "Visual Effects Supervisor" credit. So: does this qualify for "Visual Effects". I didn't think so, but there are 17 profiles for 'Madagascar: Escape 2 Africa' in the database that include him... |
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| Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | It depends. Is it credited under a different company or for a different visual effect? Else I would say don't credit him. | | | | Cor |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
It depends. Does it really? Quote:
Is it credited under a different company or for a different visual effect? Else I would say don't credit him. It isn't, no. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
...there are 17 profiles for 'Madagascar: Escape 2 Africa' in the database that include him... Do you own all of them? No need to answer, you don't own them and can't check how the credit is written for all those releases so leave them alone and fix the one you have in your hands. It's incredible to see you continue doing that when the film credits isn't something you can contribute without a visual check... | | | | Last edited: by Jimmy S |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | If I understand the credit correctly this guy was involved in the Pre-Production (Development) process.
In this case I wouldn't enter him. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lewis_Prothero: Quote:
If I understand the credit correctly this guy was involved in the Pre-Production (Development) process.
In this case I wouldn't enter him. My thoughts exactly. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Oops! I forgot. No point of replying as I'm on his forum block since forever... mr. ego doesn't like it when we told him that he don't follow the rules by contributing the cast and crew on DVDs he don't own.
Do you really think he will change only the DVD he owns and can verify visually? Of course not, he want to change all the profiles even if you can't submit cast and crew modifications on DVD/BR profiles if you don't own a disc because this is something requiring a visual confirmation as not the credit are alike for every releases of a movie. | | | | Last edited: by Jimmy S |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Jimmy,
would you mind to stay on topic?
T!M asked a completely valid question, the only "Mr. Ego" I'm currently seeing here seems to be you. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | You are here since long enough to know well the way he works... He starts with a convenable question untill he got the answer he wanted to get (he will argue with anyone who doesn't agree with what he tought before asking) and after he get that answer he wanted he will change every single profile in the database (and changing cast and crew on not owned DVD/BR is against the rules as you can't do a visual check).
He did that since day one and won't stop because he had no life and think his ammount of against the rules contributions make him an usefull contributor... | | | | Last edited: by Jimmy S |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Actually it is allowed....Ken clarified it himself. All he asks for is the UPC number you copied it from in your notes. Now I am not saying I agree or disagree with Ken's ruling on this... but whether we like it or not... it is allowed. And not owning the release you are updating is allowed per Ken as well... Quoting Ken Cole:Quote:
For better or for worse, we have never blocked users from contributing to profiles they don't own, nor have we blocked users from voting on contributions for profiles they don't own. In point of fact, the practice of voting on contributions for profiles users don't own has been going on for many years.
In these cases, no, it is not likely that the users' wishlist contents is an accurate protrayal of their intent to purchase. However it is also the case that these users are some of the most careful and accurate voters.
Similarly, the users who take it upon themselves to improve profiles that are not in their collection are some of the most accurate contributors.
For these reasons, we have chosen not to block contributions or voting in these cases. I'm happy to reconsider this policy if the community feels it is necessary. However, be advised that if a change is made, it will prevent both contributing and voting, not one or the other. This is something I have considered in the past and have developed a decently secure method of preventing extra-collection contribution/voting. I would prefer not to implement this change as I still feel it would be detrimental to the overall database.
To recap:
- We do not (currently) prevent users from contributing or voting on profiles they don't own.
- If you are contributing to a profile that you don't own, our only requirement is that the notes submitted accurately reflect the source of the data, and state the specific profile used as the source.
Clear as mud? | | | | Pete | | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lewis_Prothero: Quote:
Jimmy,
would you mind to stay on topic?
T!M asked a completely valid question, the only "Mr. Ego" I'm currently seeing here seems to be you. Thanks! Not that it matters, but I was indeed asking a question with regards *only* to my own copy of 'Madagascar 2'. I just checked (and mentioned!) the CLT to see how others have handled this. I haven't touched, nor did I plan to touch any other 'Madagascar' profiles. But I must confess that Mr. Ego's behaviour here makes for quite a bit of encouragement.  Now, something on-topic, perhaps? | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lewis_Prothero: Quote:
Jimmy,
would you mind to stay on topic?
T!M asked a completely valid question, the only "Mr. Ego" I'm currently seeing here seems to be you. In fairness to Jimmy, his assumption that T!M was asking so that he could change all 17 profiles, is based on history. T!M has admitted to doing exactly that...contributing to multiple profiles, he does not own, based on the audit of the one title he does own. That being said, I agree with your reasoning and would not include this particular credit. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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We will teach it to them again.
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Actually it is allowed.... No it isn't... It's the same rule that we use for the pre-release profile, you can profile only what you can confirm visually. Even when you clone a profile you must check if the cast and crew data from the DVD/BR you create and the DVD/BR you use are the same, different releases can have different cast/crew informations (by exemple I have many where the cast part is in french). Quoting T!M: Quote:
I haven't touched, nor did I plan to touch any other 'Madagascar' profiles. In that case I give you the benefit of doubt than... I'm just used to your usual way. and to be on-topic... no it isn't a valid visual effects credit. | | | | Last edited: by Jimmy S |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jimmy S: Quote:
Quoting Addicted2DVD:
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Actually it is allowed....
No it isn't... It's the same rule that we use for the pre-release profile, you can profile only what you can confirm visually. Even when you clone a profile you must check if the cast and crew data from the DVD/BR you create and the DVD/BR you use are the same, different releases can have different cast/crew informations (by exemple I have many where the cast part is in french). Thing is Ken supports it completely. Ken stated himself all you have to do is add the upc number of the profile you are cloning. From there it is up to the voters to vote no if it is different in the other releases. He made no exception to this what so ever.... so yes... per Ken it is allowed.... whether we want it to be or not. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: June 15, 2012 |  Posts: 428 |
| | Posted: | | | | Off-topic post:
This is quite interesting considering past discussions on using a central database for cast and crew under the assumption that they should be the same because it's the same movie, was strongly disagreed with...
Now here it seems that those against has considerably lessened due to the 'you may contribute on profiles you don't own' rule.
After it all comes out in the wash, isn't this the same thing.
perhaps the 'you may contribute on profiles you don't own' needs to be adjusted to deny contribution to things that need specific checking on the physical copy - like cast and crew
End off-topic post.
Apologies for hijacking T!M's thread | | | | Last edited: by Parsec |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Parsec: Quote:
Now here it seems that those against has considerably lessened due to the 'you may contribute on profiles you don't own' rule. First, it is not a rule, just something Ken allows. Second, us pointing out that Ken allows it doesn't mean we agree with it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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