What should we enter for running time for discs that only contain special features? We frequently have profiles for these in TV sets and in box sets for movie series. It's generally held that we should only list the running time of the main feature (though the rules technically don't say this) and I've seen arguments that discs with no main feature should have 0 run time based on this. I've also seen claims that we should just list the total run time of all the special features on the discs. I've seen both argument succeed. Thoughts?

As yo your claim of argument success. The rules have not changed in this regard, we simply do not at this time track rintime of special features. With the scurrent system runtime of sfs is useless. Total tuntime means nothing. You would want to know the runtime for each feature. This can't be done with the current system. It could be done with a system I have talked about in the past but that would probably not be done in the way I suspect you might desire

I brought this up because I got voted down 2 to 7 when I tried to change the run time of the Toy Story Toybox special features disc to 0. Many no voters pointed out that it doesn't actually say not to count special features in the running time in the rules.

Grendell, your usual sarcasm is noted. But the rules have not changed we do not track special features in any way at this time, other than through the generic check boxes. On their own disc or not. Ace, I would inquire directly of ken as to why votes not consistent with the rules have any credence. He has not made any comments on this I am aware of, therefore. The rules still stand as originally conceived.

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Ace, I would inquire directly of ken as to why votes not consistent with the rules have any credence. He has not made any comments on this I am aware of, therefore. The rules still stand as originally conceived.

That's the problem. You keep claiming the rules say this, but they don't. I posted here because the rules are completely silent on the matter. I think it makes sense, for consistency's sake, and to avoid situations where we argue about which featurettes do and don't count toward the running time, to list all special-feature discs as having a run time of 0, but nothing in the rules even implies that this should be so as far as I can tell. Can you quote the relevant section?

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Only thing I can find in the rules is this one for box sets:
Use the combined running time of all the films in the Box Set; do not include running time of any extra features.

I did notice that but Box Sets are special cases. We put limited data into the parent profile and add the relevant data to the individual child profiles.

As far as individual profiles, the invelos rules do not address running time and special features.

Skip,

Since you are so adamant that this is addressed in the rules please show me exactly where they are because I don't see them.

You might not track this data but that does not mean others do not or should not.

We have a few users, and its always the same one(s), who simply want to apply rules where none are written.

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Can you show me on the rules where it is even so much as implied. Everything regarding runtine is about the feature film or main feature.

Do the rules actually say that? Here's the whole section about run times for regular circumstances:

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Use the Running time specified on the DVD cover unless you can verify there is a discrepancy between that and the actual Running time. When contributing an accurate, DVD-based, time from the DVD, round down from 29 seconds and up from 30 seconds in the nearest minute. Include your verification method in your Contribution Notes. For instance, note that a given movie has an actual Running time of 119: 37, Running time would be 120 even if the case said 119 or 121.

For branching titles, or those with multiple versions (e.g. Theatrical and Director's Cut) on the same disc, use the longest running time.  Exception: If the longer version is available only as part of an Easter Egg, use the shorter running time.

It doesn't even specifically say to only count main features. Yes, there's nothing in the rules that says or implies that special features discs should have a run time equal to the total of the special features on said disc, but there's no implication they should have a run time of zero, either. The rules don't say either way on this. They probably should, and I was planning to take this to the rules board once I get a sense of what people want, but pretending that this isn't even an issue is the opposite of what we need to solve the problem.