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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,741 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am reauditing Other People's Money. The profile lists a Production Sound Mixer, 2 Supervising Sound Editors, 3 Sound Re-Recording Mixers and then 2 more Production Sound Mixers. The film credit for the last 2 Production Sound Mixers reads:
Production Sound ... Don Coufal
Gary Holland
The question is, should these last 2 be listed at all? | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
| | Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | I wouldn't list them because
1) A PSM is already specifically identified
2) "Production Sound" isn't an identified Credited As Role for PSM
The credit may be a polite way of saying "Production Sound Mixer's Nephews who hauled gear around the set" and nothing more.
I'd remove them. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,741 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thanks tweeter, I feel the same way.
I have more questions about another film: Orca The Killer Whale. 2 in one day...go figure.
After checking the internet, The majority of references to the title have some sort of punctuation in them:
Orca, The Killer Whale
Orca - The Killer Whale, but the majority are;
Orca: The Killer Whale. The overview also uses this. I feel this is the right way to present the title.
One I found just use Orca.
Question 1: Should we change the title or leave it as is; Orca The Killer Whale.
The back cover says Dino De Laurentiis presents Orca, the opening credits says Dino De Laurentiis presents and the overview says Producer Dino De Laurentiis. However, he's not listed as a producer. Everywhere I read about this movie mention him either as a producer and/or responsible for production of this film.
Question 2: Should we give him credit in the profile as a producer, a production company or both. | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
| | Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | How does the credit block on the jacket display the title? How about the film credits?
If they don't have punctuation i would not use it.
And if you go without punctuation i'd lower case the word "The". From the rules: "For English titles do not capitalize joining words such as "of", "the", "a", "in", etc. unless they are the first, last or only word of the title." | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
| | Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | On the sound question: Since there is a PSM credited, I would treat these as just a sound credit and not contribute them. They are probably the PSM's crew (Cable guys)
But if no PSM credit, I would check the database and see if they were credited as a PSM. If they had been I would credit them as Sound.
The rules can not cover every situation, there are always exceptions. Context is everything. Take a word out and it may not mean the same thing. | | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | @mreeder50:
I think, as far as the Title field goes, it all depends on what's on the front cover. If it's Orca in large print and The Killer Whale in somewhat smaller print below Orca, then I agree it should be Orca: The Killer Whale. If there is punctuation of some sort, copy that punctuation.
You may find that the on-screen title in the film itself is slightly different (possibly in punctuation only). In that case, use the Original Title field to enter the on-screen title.
With regard to the Dino De Laurentiis issue: I'm afraid the rules don't allow us to enter him.
Just my 2 cents.
DJ |
| | Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | I use my own custom "presents" producer role, which automatically locks in the crew when used, for titles like Orca. Dino has many "presents" only credits I've been finding. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote:
@mreeder50:
I think, as far as the Title field goes, it all depends on what's on the front cover. If it's Orca in large print and The Killer Whale in somewhat smaller print below Orca, then I agree it should be Orca: The Killer Whale. Why would we add punctuation that isn't present on the cover? Unless 'The Killer Whale' is an episode descriptor, it must be entered exactly as it appears on the cover. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Are you quite sure? Just take a look at the countless entries in the database for e.g. Stanley Kubrick's "2001: A Space Odyssey". Or to take an example from your own collection, do you feel the compelling need to correct "Hannah Montana: The Movie"? |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Why would we add punctuation that isn't present on the cover? In Germany they would have to change, at a rough estimate, thousands of Titles. Enjoy. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote:
Are you quite sure? Just take a look at the countless entries in the database for e.g. Stanley Kubrick's "2001: A Space Odyssey". Or to take an example from your own collection, do you feel the compelling need to correct "Hannah Montana: The Movie"? I am quite sure, based on the rules, that it isn't allowed. The fact that it is a common practice doesn't make it correct "per the rules." If I have missed the section of the rules that allows it, please be so kind as to point it out, because I can't find it. As for 'Hannah Montana: The Movie', like all Hannah Montana releases, it is episodic...there is also, to name just a few, ''Hannah Montana: Keeping it Real', ''Hannah Montana: Life's What You Make It' and ''Hannah Montana: Livin' The Rock Star Life'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
In Germany they would have to change, at a rough estimate, thousands of Titles. And your point is what? There were thousands of profiles with IMDb mined data, were those rule compliant simply because there were so many of them? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting dee1959jay:
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Are you quite sure? Just take a look at the countless entries in the database for e.g. Stanley Kubrick's "2001: A Space Odyssey". Or to take an example from your own collection, do you feel the compelling need to correct "Hannah Montana: The Movie"?
I am quite sure, based on the rules, that it isn't allowed. The fact that it is a common practice doesn't make it correct "per the rules." If I have missed the section of the rules that allows it, please be so kind as to point it out, because I can't find it.
As for 'Hannah Montana: The Movie', like all Hannah Montana releases, it is episodic...there is also, to name just a few, ''Hannah Montana: Keeping it Real', ''Hannah Montana: Life's What You Make It' and ''Hannah Montana: Livin' The Rock Star Life'. So I reckon your next contribution will be about correcting "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves" in your collection then? |
| | Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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Quoting dee1959jay:
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Are you quite sure? Just take a look at the countless entries in the database for e.g. Stanley Kubrick's "2001: A Space Odyssey". Or to take an example from your own collection, do you feel the compelling need to correct "Hannah Montana: The Movie"?
I am quite sure, based on the rules, that it isn't allowed. The fact that it is a common practice doesn't make it correct "per the rules." If I have missed the section of the rules that allows it, please be so kind as to point it out, because I can't find it.
As for 'Hannah Montana: The Movie', like all Hannah Montana releases, it is episodic...there is also, to name just a few, ''Hannah Montana: Keeping it Real', ''Hannah Montana: Life's What You Make It' and ''Hannah Montana: Livin' The Rock Star Life'.
So I reckon your next contribution will be about correcting "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves" in your collection then? Should be - Robin Hood-Prince of Thieves going by the back cover credit grid. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote:
So I reckon your next contribution will be about correcting "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves" in your collection then? Why so antagonistic? As for the change, since there are multiple 'Robin Hood: insert title here' titles in the database, it might fall under the episodic rule. Of course, it could also be a sub-title, which Orca The Killer Whale seems to be, in which case it would be incorrect...per the rules. I don't make corrections when I am unsure and, in the case of Robin Hood, I am unsure so, no, that won't be my next contribution. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm not trying to be antagonistic, and if it came across that way, please accept my apologies!  I have never claimed there is a RULE telling us to deal with titles such as this one in a particular way, however I WILL claim this is a standing practice which has been maintained over the years. The rules can't cover everything. As far as Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves goes: that was a stand-alone title; nothing episodic about it. The only thing remotely "episodic" about it is that two years later a parody was made, which is called "Robin Hood: Men in Tights". But the creators of that parody had nothing to do with the creators of its object of parody. I can't see any difference with regard to the issue at hand between "Orca: The Killer Whale" and "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves" (or "2001: A Space Odyssey", for that matter). If you don't agree, please explain why these should be treated differently. | | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
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