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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | So I'm confused about something. With regards to complete series sets, are Disc IDs allowed in the parent profile? In this case, it's Stargate Atlantis: The Complete Series which contains 5 seasons spread across 3 Blu-ray cases. Now, under the rules for box sets (which this is) it states "Do not include any Disc IDs on the main profile - these are listed on each of the individual profiles.".
But the contributor is pointing under TV Series to this: "Note: In rare cases where multiple Complete TV Series are packaged together, the Box-set rules can be applied, treating each series like a single film - applying the above rules for it’s individual profile." Well, in that case, would the Disc Info not be allowed? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | No. Complete Series sets are treated just like a Movie box set with a bare-bones Parent Profile and Child Profiles for each season set. Disc IDs go with the Child Profiles. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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| Registered: October 30, 2011 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | How I interpreted it was
"Note: In rare cases where multiple Complete TV Series are packaged together, the Box-set rules can be applied, treating each series like a single film - applying the above rules for it’s individual profile."
How I read the note addresses where you have multiple complete TV series (which is a rare case) in the same package. Not multiple complete seasons (which is not rare).
So I also took inerpretation from
http://www.invelos.com/dvdpro/contributions/Rules.aspx?display=tvseries
"At the top of that it states:
TV Series on DVD come in 2 separate types:
• Complete Series/Season sets
• Anthologies of Episodes that do not form a complete series or season.
The following are Clarifications to the standard Rules for TV Series on DVD:
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And in Disc ID's on that page"
Disc IDs
Label each of the discs containing episodes of the series. If there is a separate disc of extras with no episodes, use the standard "Bonus Materials" description.
Also I looked at approved examples in my collection such as "Battlestar Galactica the Complete Series: Limited Edition" UPC 025192010378
Now as you all know I am pretty new here and ultimately I want to do this correctly, so it seems to me that either I am interpreting the rules correctly or not. If I am not then BSG should be fixed so as not to add condusion.
I think we need to get a concensus. I am good either way but we should see if there is a consistant interpretation. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,741 |
| | Posted: | | | | The problem with that region of the rules is that it was written by a Brit. And in the UK a "series" is the equivalent to a US "season"
My gut tells me to not include individual info into a Complete Series Box Set but to attach the proper child profiles and enter the data there. | | | Karsten
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| Registered: October 30, 2011 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
The problem with that region of the rules is that it was written by a Brit. And in the UK a "series" is the equivalent to a US "season"
My gut tells me to not include individual info into a Complete Series Box Set but to attach the proper child profiles and enter the data there. If that is the case then UPC 025192010378 needs to be corrected. Because I made the conrtibution by not only how I interpreted the rules, but by that example also. Also if that is the case what is the chance of getting the rules updated and more clear? |
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| Registered: November 24, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,275 |
| | Posted: | | | | The rules on this subject have always been confusing.
Some box sets are approved as...
BOX SET
-- SEASON 1 DISC 1
-- SEASON 1 DISC 2
-- SEASON 2 DISC 1
-- SEASON 2 DISC 2
-- SEASON 3 DISC 1
-- SEASON 3 DISC 2
etc.
And others are approved as...
BOX SET
-- SEASON 1 (using Disc ID from Disc 1)
-- SEASON 2 (using Disc ID from Disc 3)
-- SEASON 3 (using Disc ID from Disc 5)
The trouble with the former version is, once approved, an individual 'Season' with the same Disc IDs cannot be entered with child profiles without disrupting the 'Complete' Box Set in some way. The only way DVDProfiler supports both is to treat each and every disc as a separate disc NOT as a whole season.
I have encountered this problem when trying to enter my Seinfeld Complete Season 1-9 sets and several others. | | | | Last edited: by GreyHulk |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Scooter1836: Quote:
How I interpreted it was
"Note: In rare cases where multiple Complete TV Series are packaged together, the Box-set rules can be applied, treating each series like a single film - applying the above rules for it’s individual profile."
When this rule was first written, it was rare to see Complete TV Series packaged together. This is no longer the case. | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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| Registered: October 30, 2011 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GreyHulk: Quote:
The rules on this subject have always been confusing.
Some box sets are approved as...
BOX SET
-- SEASON 1 DISC 1
-- SEASON 1 DISC 2
-- SEASON 2 DISC 1
-- SEASON 2 DISC 2
-- SEASON 3 DISC 1
-- SEASON 3 DISC 2
etc.
And others are approved as...
BOX SET
-- SEASON 1 (using Disc ID from Disc 1)
-- SEASON 2 (using Disc ID from Disc 3)
-- SEASON 3 (using Disc ID from Disc 5)
The trouble with the former version is, once approved, an individual 'Season' with the same Disc IDs cannot be entered with child profiles without disrupting the 'Complete' Box Set in some way. The only way DVDProfiler supports both is to treat each and every disc as a separate disc NOT as a whole season.
I have encountered this problem when trying to enter my Seinfeld Complete Season 1-9 sets and several others. Are you speaking to the "Box Set" area or "Disc Information"? It sounds like you may be talking about a different area |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Scooter1836: Quote:
Quoting DJ Doena:
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The problem with that region of the rules is that it was written by a Brit. And in the UK a "series" is the equivalent to a US "season"
My gut tells me to not include individual info into a Complete Series Box Set but to attach the proper child profiles and enter the data there.
If that is the case then UPC 025192010378 needs to be corrected. Because I made the conrtibution by not only how I interpreted the rules, but by that example also.
Also if that is the case what is the chance of getting the rules updated and more clear? I believe your profile for Battlestar Galactica is correct because the individual seasons are not packaged separately. Is that the case? | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,741 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GreyHulk: Quote:
The rules on this subject have always been confusing.
Some box sets are approved as...
BOX SET
-- SEASON 1 DISC 1
-- SEASON 1 DISC 2
-- SEASON 2 DISC 1
-- SEASON 2 DISC 2
-- SEASON 3 DISC 1
-- SEASON 3 DISC 2
etc.
And others are approved as...
BOX SET
-- SEASON 1 (using Disc ID from Disc 1)
-- SEASON 2 (using Disc ID from Disc 3)
-- SEASON 3 (using Disc ID from Disc 5)
The trouble with the former version is, once approved, an individual 'Season' with the same Disc IDs cannot be entered with child profiles without disrupting the 'Complete' Box Set in some way. The only way DVDProfiler supports both is to treat each and every disc as a separate disc NOT as a whole season.
I have encountered this problem when trying to enter my Seinfeld Complete Season 1-9 sets and several others. But this is about the "Box Set Contents" tab. The OP was asking about the "Disc Information" tab. But to answer your question: It's my philosophy that a season disc ID belongs to a season disc profile. If there's a complete box set and the seasons don't have a UPC for each season (e.g. US Buffy set 024543-212904) or aren't even packaged in a season manner (e.g. US Friends set 012569-832688) then so be it. Then the children have to be the discs themselves and not season sets with a "borrowed" ID. | | | Karsten
DVD Collectors Online
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| Registered: October 30, 2011 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | Another question based on a PM I got from Movieman.
In the case where multiple TV seasons are in the same package is the disc informantion supposed to be done there.
So for example "Rome: The Complete Series" UPC 883929074617. That one the parent also has the disc information. the difference being all of the series is in a book style packaging where the pages are the disc sleeves. So all are in the same package. |
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| Registered: November 24, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,275 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yeah, sorry. I didn't read the original post. I have gone off on somewhat of a tangent. But it still needs clarification. So there.   |
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| Registered: October 30, 2011 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Bad Father: Quote:
Quoting Scooter1836:
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Quoting DJ Doena:
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The problem with that region of the rules is that it was written by a Brit. And in the UK a "series" is the equivalent to a US "season"
My gut tells me to not include individual info into a Complete Series Box Set but to attach the proper child profiles and enter the data there.
If that is the case then UPC 025192010378 needs to be corrected. Because I made the conrtibution by not only how I interpreted the rules, but by that example also.
Also if that is the case what is the chance of getting the rules updated and more clear?
I believe your profile for Battlestar Galactica is correct because the individual seasons are not packaged separately. Is that the case? No it is not. BSG: TCS Limited edotion the season are in their own cases within the box set |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 4,596 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Scooter1836: Quote:
Quoting Bad Father:
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Quoting Scooter1836:
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Quoting DJ Doena:
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The problem with that region of the rules is that it was written by a Brit. And in the UK a "series" is the equivalent to a US "season"
My gut tells me to not include individual info into a Complete Series Box Set but to attach the proper child profiles and enter the data there.
If that is the case then UPC 025192010378 needs to be corrected. Because I made the conrtibution by not only how I interpreted the rules, but by that example also.
Also if that is the case what is the chance of getting the rules updated and more clear?
I believe your profile for Battlestar Galactica is correct because the individual seasons are not packaged separately. Is that the case?
No it is not. BSG: TCS Limited edotion the season are in their own cases within the box set Do the individual season cases have their own UPC? | | | | My WebGenDVD online Collection |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Scooter1836: Quote:
How I interpreted it was
"Note: In rare cases where multiple Complete TV Series are packaged together, the Box-set rules can be applied, treating each series like a single film - applying the above rules for it’s individual profile." This is another rule that is badly worded as it says, "the Box-set rules can be applied," not "must be applied." As written, either way is allowed.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Not sure if this changes things, but in this set, 5 seasons are contained in 3 BD cases (see below for how they are laid out). HOWEVER, there is no UPC for these cases. Right now, this set is profiled with just Disc IDs (with the appropriate running time and features that's contained just on that disc). So, should the disc info be allowed in this case? Case 1 contains seasons 1 and 2 Case 2 contains seasons 3 and 4 Case 3 contains season 5 So it looks like another case where the rules are poorly written. One of these months, they need to go in and really re-tool some of them. Basically what I'm saying is, I have no clue how to handle this anymore.   | | | | Last edited: by The Movieman |
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