Today I came across a contribution. It was the original contribution for this particular profile. And the contributor had written this: General Information some DVD titles, Regions, Run Time, Dvd release, Cover Type, Genres, Image formats, Studios, Production, Country, Gradient, Audio, Subtitles, Overview, Cover Scans

Some other times I've seen just : New contribution

As far as I know, this data could've been read from the contribution it self, so why is this accepted with no further ado.

While my contribution got declined for missing sources, when I had entered the sources in total to be disc and cover. I know this source is kinda vague, but compared to the other contribution? Mine was an addition and not a new profile, but I didn't know that then, because the original profile was released later

I don't have a big problem with this, but why should we even bother writing sources for new profiles if it's THIS important. Shouldn't we have documented sources for new profiles as well? If sources for new profiles are not required, then how can we know any of that data is valid. Like running time, release date etc.

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While I completely agree on your conclusion, it is a fact that Invelos is currently working by the method "Better a (probably) incorrect profile then none".

Which is completely OK, but raises problems when these profiles get cloned. Contribution notes in the lines of "Copied from already accepted profile with EAN/UPC xyz" almost always get accepted.

This is one reason why I don't like cloning and it definitely is the reason why I'd like to see sufficiently documented data even for new profiles.
But, alas, this is just another windmill to fight.

The only time I clone cast and crew is if it's my own edit to a box set or special edition that I just bought.
(I have 3 dif. Halloween (2007) so I edit one and clone it to the others.)

If you want to be 100% safe only clone profiles with matching disc IDs.

That said, I hope the system one day will handle "cloning" automatically by moving the movie data out of the disc profile and have them tied to the movie instead. With some way of handling exceptions, like different cuts of the same film.

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That said, I hope the system one day will handle "cloning" automatically by moving the movie data out of the disc profile and have them tied to the movie instead.

That's what DVD Profiler desperately needs, yeah.

Better tied to the Disc-ID, that makes it much more accurate.

Infos like cast, crew, audio tracks, subtitles, video format could be used by this, and only things like rating and overview stay in the part that is EAN/UPC-specific.

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Quoting Silence_of_Lambs:

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While I completely agree on your conclusion, it is a fact that Invelos is currently working by the method "Better a (probably) incorrect profile then none".

Which is completely OK, but raises problems when these profiles get cloned. Contribution notes in the lines of "Copied from already accepted profile with EAN/UPC xyz" almost always get accepted.

This is one reason why I don't like cloning and it definitely is the reason why I'd like to see sufficiently documented data even for new profiles.
But, alas, this is just another windmill to fight.

The only time I clone cast and crew is if it's my own edit to a box set or special edition that I just bought.
(I have 3 dif. Halloween (2007) so I edit one and clone it to the others.)

That's not always 100%. For example there are at least three versions of Halloween (2007), Theatrical, Director's Cut and International. I own all three versions with the latter having different cast credits. So watch out!

I clone them to my others, but I don't contribute them unless I verify each. Sometimes WS Ratio is dif, audio tracks and sub. Like in Mel Gibson's Payback Spec. Col. Ed. it is a completly different ending with dif. cast. Or Aliens has extra cast in the Trilogy set.

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That's not always 100%. For example there are at least three versions of Halloween (2007), Theatrical, Director's Cut and International. I own all three versions with the latter having different cast credits. So watch out!

What is the international version? Is it the director's cut with correct credits? I have the theater and DC in the US (and the workprint), and the credits are the same even though different people are in or out of each cut. Hadn't heard of an international cut, anything different about it besides credits?

I own the Dutch release and interestingly enough it has different cast credits at the end. It's almost the same as the director's cut, maybe the workprint? For the exact changes I have to watch the DC and this cut simultaneously.

This wasn't initially abaout cloning, however I clone, but then I always verify the data as well. This way it's faster, and just as reliable.