I just want to make sure I'm understanding how we profile HD media... I submitted a profile for Cars 2 3D. Now, the parent profile is only to contain what's on that disc (along with the digital copy that comes in the set), correct? For instance, the 3D BD only has an animated short while the standard Blu-ray (across 2 discs) have the bulk of the extras and thus those would be profiled there and then associated as a child profile.

So like this:

Cars 2 3D BD
|_Cars 2 BD + Another BD of features
|_Cars 2 DVD

Am I right in this? I guess I get a bit confused since 3D BD wasn't really around (at least like it is now) when the rules were written...

Quoting Bad Father:

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This is like removing all of the features from a 2-Disc DVD release Profile because the features are on a second Bonus Feature DVD disc. Does that make any sense to anyone?

Except we don't profile discs with only bonus material aand all those features removed are covered under the regular Blu-ray which I have submitted. It is a child profile of the 3D Blu-ray. Not sure why this is so confusing to you.

Anyone else want to interject? Am I incorrect with my submission? 

I believe Bad Father's point is that if you are removing the features (that are on the 2D disc) from the parent profile, this forces people to download the 2D child profile.  He believes that the features, which are on the 2D disc, should also be listed in the parent profile. 

I believe his interpretation comes from the fact that combo packs are not considered box sets.  Rather, the 2D & DVD are simply bonus feature films.  I don't collect 3D, but I have the Blu/DVD combo packs and I don't download the DVD profiles (so I won't have the same film listed twice for a single release). 

I don't see the harm in keeping the features all listed in the parent profile, but again, it won't affect me since I don't own any 3D movies.

Quoting Danae Cassandra:

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I believe his interpretation comes from the fact that combo packs are not considered box sets.  Rather, the 2D & DVD are simply bonus feature films.  I don't collect 3D, but I have the Blu/DVD combo packs and I don't download the DVD profiles (so I won't have the same film listed twice for a single release). 

And yet the rule I posted was in the Box Set area of the rules...
http://www.invelos.com/dvdpro/contributions/Rules.aspx?display=boxsets

Also, how does one distinguish audio tracks? I know there are 3D BDs that have (or even don't have) different audio tracks that are only on the 2D BD. And when we do the BD/DVD combo packs, we list what's on the Blu-ray and not the DVD (for instance, the Blu-ray copy generally will not have a standard Dolby Digital 5.1 track).

To that, in this case, the 3D BD does not have an audio commentary track. It's only on the 2D BD and DVD. Should the commentary audio track be listed in the parent profile? If so, in what order? My point is, it gets confusing to lump all the info together with no distinction with what goes where to what format, which I think is why the rule was put in there in the first place.

Of course, if Ken could pop in and make a ruling, it would put an end to this (either way).

Quoting Danae Cassandra:

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I believe Bad Father's point is that if you are removing the features (that are on the 2D disc) from the parent profile, this forces people to download the 2D child profile.  He believes that the features, which are on the 2D disc, should also be listed in the parent profile.

Ah. You're right, of course.

It's still the same situation as a Blu-ray / DVD Combo release, though. If the DVD has bonus material which is not present on the BD, what do you do with that? In my opinon, all content from all discs should be listed both on the main profile and on the individual profiles (obviously, anything related to the actual feature, like audio tracks, subtitles, aspect ratio, cast/crew info, rating etc., should only use info from the main disc, if they differ).

Quoting Danae Cassandra:

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I believe his interpretation comes from the fact that combo packs are not considered box sets.  Rather, the 2D & DVD are simply bonus feature films.  I don't collect 3D, but I have the Blu/DVD combo packs and I don't download the DVD profiles (so I won't have the same film listed twice for a single release).

Well,  the rules allow creating child profiles when the same movie is included in a different format, and that makes it a box set in DVD Profiler.

However, after re-reading the rule on this, I think I've changed my mind about the leeway:

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Sets containing the same film on multiple media types (such as a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack) are to be entered as a normal profile for the main media type (Blu-ray in this example), with all included media types checked. A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile. However, you may add an additional profile by Disc ID for the DVD content and add this profile to the Box Set contents for the Blu-ray profile.

3D Blu-ray and 2D blu-ray are two different media types, and the HD / DVD combo mentioned, is clearly just an example. So, creating a box set with the 2D blu-ray and the DVD as child profiles, is well within even a strict interpretation of the rules.

However, I can't find any info about whether or not it is required (or even allowed) to add features from a child profile to the main profile as well. I'd be inclined to say that since child profiles are optional in this case, all relevant info should be included in the main profile as well. If I wanted to be difficult, I'd argue that "should use the details from the HD media in the main profile" means that you should pretend that the extra discs of "inferior" media, that includes the movie, are not present at all. I think that's a too narrow interpretation.

Quoting Danae Cassandra:

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I don't see the harm in keeping the features all listed in the parent profile, but again, it won't affect me since I don't own any 3D movies.

It will affect you since the same principle applies to BD/DVD releases, if there's bonus material on the DVD which is missing from the BD. That may not be as common, though.

Quoting TheMadMartian:

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Both the 3D and 2D versions of the film are on HD media, so the details from both should be included in the main profile.

Exactly my point. Thank you.

Quoting trondmm:

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Well,  the rules allow creating child profiles when the same movie is included in a different format, and that makes it a box set in DVD Profiler.

The rules allow it, they do not require it, that makes it a bonus feature film profile.

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3D Blu-ray and 2D blu-ray are two different media types,

No, they are not.  They are both Blu-ray media, one is just in 3D while the other isn't.

Also, what about my comments about the audio tracks? Do we list all of them? I know of one 3D BD set that has DTS-HD MA 5.1 but the BD (an original release) is PCM 5.1 as well as standard Dolby Digital tracks. Should all of them be listed?

In terms of BD/DVD combo packs, I know MGM packaged older DVDs packaged with new Blu-rays that did not contain the features on the DVD in the main Blu-ray profile (see Out of Time, UPC 883904143802; To Live and Die in LA, UPC 027616065483; The Thomas Crown Affair, UPC 883904210023). Those are just the one's in my collection. By your reasoning because the DVD is optional to download, the features from the DVD copies should be on the Blu-ray profile as well, right?