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| Registered: October 30, 2011 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am new to DVD Profiler and I am seeing some indonsistancies.
That is the way that the box sets are being used with sets with multiple formats (BD/DVD combo).
Example 1) "Thor" where it has one profile, all disc info and the media type is set to both BD and DVD
Example 2) "Sherlock Holmes" where it has a profile and a child profile, all disc info and the media type is set to both BD and DVD on the parent but there is a separate child of the DVD in boxed sets
Example 3) "Tangled 3d" where ther parent profile is set to BD and DVD and there are three children of the DVD, BD and BD 3D.
I have also seen those that have a parent of BD (not both) and child of DVD, but I do not recall the example right off.
Now you can see arguments on both sides since typically BD releases that are BD/DVD combo have secondary releases with just the BD and some could have the same BD disc ID. So it would reduce future conflict to have them separate as BD and child DVD. But that does conflict with the contribution rules (as I interpret them.
Evidetly the changes have been approved in all the different combinations.
I am looking for guidance on how to proceed when adding items. |
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| Registered: December 14, 2010 |  Posts: 90 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Scooter1836: Quote:
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Example 1) "Thor" where it has one profile, all disc info and the media type is set to both BD and DVD
This is Ok. One can consider it as an incomplete contribution if the BD and DVD profiles would be different, but that is allowed. Quote:
Example 2) "Sherlock Holmes" where it has a profile and a child profile, all disc info and the media type is set to both BD and DVD on the parent but there is a separate child of the DVD in boxed sets
This is Ok, too. You need a DVD child profile if you want to accurately describe e.g. different Audio Tracks, Subtitles and Running Time (always different between a PAL DVD and Blu-ray). Quote:
Example 3) "Tangled 3d" where ther parent profile is set to BD and DVD and there are three children of the DVD, BD and BD 3D.
That is not quite right; quoting contribution rules: Quote:
Sets containing the same film on multiple media types (such as a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack) are to be entered as a normal profile for the main media type (Blu-ray in this example), with all included media types checked.
Parent profile should contain relevant information for the "main media type", which shouldn't have a child profile of its own. A 3D Blu-ray could have e.g. different audio tracks than the corresponding 2D Blu-ray, so it would make sense to describe it in a separate child profile. On the other hand, DVD Profiler doesn't really support 3D Blu-ray and 2D Blu-ray as different media types. |
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| Registered: October 30, 2011 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | Do we have any any idea when DVD Profiler will support 3D?
When you state
"Parent profile should contain relevant information for the "main media type", which shouldn't have a child profile of its own. A 3D Blu-ray could have e.g. different audio tracks than the corresponding 2D Blu-ray, so it would make sense to describe it in a separate child profile. On the other hand, DVD Profiler doesn't really support 3D Blu-ray and 2D Blu-ray as different media types."
This really points out that example 2 is incorrect
Example 2) "Sherlock Holmes" where it has a profile and a child profile, all disc info and the media type is set to both BD and DVD on the parent but there is a separate child of the DVD in boxed sets
Since the DVD is taken care of in the child profile the parent should be flagged as BD only. Correct? |
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| Registered: May 26, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,878 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ranavalone's got it right. I'll expand on how this might happen.
Let's say I do a new profile for Thor on blu-ray. I don't use the DVD child profiles, so I don't include it. This is fine, there's nothing in the rules to say I have to include everything. (Your example #1)
Someone else comes along later and adds the DVD child profile for Thor, because they do want it. This is also fine, because by the rules the DVD can have a profile as a child of the blu parent. (Your example #2)
Your example #3 should look like this:
Parent: 3-D blu-ray
- Child: 2-D blu-ray (by disc-ID)
- Child: DVD (by disc-ID)
None of them should be set up as a box set, since each of them are for the same movie. They can have the extra profiles as "bonus film" children however. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
-- Thorin Oakenshield |
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| Registered: May 26, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,878 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Scooter1836: Quote:
Since the DVD is taken care of in the child profile the parent should be flagged as BD only. Correct? No. The parent still describes the entire package for some people (those who don't use the DVD child profile), so marking it as a combo (flag both) is how those folks will catch that the DVD is present. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
-- Thorin Oakenshield | | | | Last edited: by Danae Cassandra |
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| Registered: October 30, 2011 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote:
Quoting Scooter1836:
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Since the DVD is taken care of in the child profile the parent should be flagged as BD only. Correct?
No. The parent still describes the entire package for some people (those who don't use the DVD child profile), so marking it as a combo (flag both) is how those folks will catch that the DVD is present. Now another clarification. "Sherlock Holmes" has had two releases with the same UPC. The initial release contains the DVD and the second does not. I own the BD only release So in this case since the BD only is a secondary release. What I should do is edit "Sherlock Holmes" to be BD only and remove the child BD locally so my collection is correct based on what I own. However if I do this I should NOT post my change to the online database as a contribition since the main online database is supposed to contain original releases. I would assume that is what I should do since the UPC is reused. Also how should I handle BD-3d. Will DVD Profiler be handling it soon, or should we be using custom media types? Sorry for all the questions, but I want to do this right and not mess anyone up |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | You are right that for the online database it needs to be the original release info. So you would keep the re-release info local only and lock it.
The only one that can say if Blu Ray 3D will be a new format is someone from Invelos. And they normally don't say much about upcoming releases... at least not until we get close to the release of the new version. So it is basically a wait and see type thing.
There is a request for the Blu Ray 3D to be added as a new format in the feature request forum. Going by that thread it seems pretty much cut straight down the middle. Half the users wanting it... the other half feeling it shouldn't be a new format at all. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: October 30, 2011 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote:
Ranavalone's got it right. I'll expand on how this might happen.
Let's say I do a new profile for Thor on blu-ray. I don't use the DVD child profiles, so I don't include it. This is fine, there's nothing in the rules to say I have to include everything. (Your example #1)
Someone else comes along later and adds the DVD child profile for Thor, because they do want it. This is also fine, because by the rules the DVD can have a profile as a child of the blu parent. (Your example #2)
Your example #3 should look like this:
Parent: 3-D blu-ray
- Child: 2-D blu-ray (by disc-ID)
- Child: DVD (by disc-ID)
None of them should be set up as a box set, since each of them are for the same movie. They can have the extra profiles as "bonus film" children however. Ok here is how I see this playing out for example #3 Now the the content of the Tangled 3D BD (by disc Id) is exactly the same as the parent with exception that the parent is flagged as both DVD and BD which is correct. So what I should do is do a contribution removing the Tangled 3D DB as a child of the parent since the parent represents the 3D. Now Thor 3D is also in that situation in that it should have a child of a DVD and a 2D-BD. However there is no entry in the main database for the 2D-BD by disc ID. When I try to add by inserting the disc it maps to the 2D UPC (which contains the DVD. So in that case should I add that to Thor 3D? And the parent can be sued for the 2d specific audio information? |
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| Registered: October 30, 2011 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | Again be patient with me, I am new and I would rather ask than contribute something that will get rejected and cause people grief double checking my contributions |
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| Registered: May 26, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,878 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Scooter1836: Quote:
Ok here is how I see this playing out for example #3
Now the the content of the Tangled 3D BD (by disc Id) is exactly the same as the parent with exception that the parent is flagged as both DVD and BD which is correct. So what I should do is do a contribution removing the Tangled 3D DB as a child of the parent since the parent represents the 3D.
Now Thor 3D is also in that situation in that it should have a child of a DVD and a 2D-BD. However there is no entry in the main database for the 2D-BD by disc ID. When I try to add by inserting the disc it maps to the 2D UPC (which contains the DVD. So in that case should I add that to Thor 3D? And the parent can be sued for the 2d specific audio information? As far as Thor 2D disc mapping to the UPC, download that profile then go to "DVD" at the top menu, go down and select "Change UPC" Click on the box that says "Use Disc ID from inserted disc." Voila! New profile by disc ID. As far as removing the 3D child for the 3D-2D-DVD combos, the easiest thing to do would be to delete it in your local and then lock your box set contents. If you did want to contribute such a change, I would say something like "removing 3D child from profile since parent profile is for the 3D disc" or something like that. You might get no votes for this, but as I read the rules what I outlined is the proper way to handle it. That's why I say the easiest thing to do is simply delete it locally and lock your box set contents. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
-- Thorin Oakenshield |
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| Registered: October 30, 2011 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote:
Quoting Scooter1836:
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Ok here is how I see this playing out for example #3
Now the the content of the Tangled 3D BD (by disc Id) is exactly the same as the parent with exception that the parent is flagged as both DVD and BD which is correct. So what I should do is do a contribution removing the Tangled 3D DB as a child of the parent since the parent represents the 3D.
Now Thor 3D is also in that situation in that it should have a child of a DVD and a 2D-BD. However there is no entry in the main database for the 2D-BD by disc ID. When I try to add by inserting the disc it maps to the 2D UPC (which contains the DVD. So in that case should I add that to Thor 3D? And the parent can be sued for the 2d specific audio information?
As far as Thor 2D disc mapping to the UPC, download that profile then go to "DVD" at the top menu, go down and select "Change UPC" Click on the box that says "Use Disc ID from inserted disc." Voila! New profile by disc ID.
As far as removing the 3D child for the 3D-2D-DVD combos, the easiest thing to do would be to delete it in your local and then lock your box set contents. If you did want to contribute such a change, I would say something like "removing 3D child from profile since parent profile is for the 3D disc" or something like that. You might get no votes for this, but as I read the rules what I outlined is the proper way to handle it. That's why I say the easiest thing to do is simply delete it locally and lock your box set contents. Thanks for the solution for Thor. I agree that doing it locally is the easiest way. But like you said based on the rules it would seem to be the right thing to do. Mainly because of the redundant profile should not be there. It seems someone should at least try to get it updated correctly so that we can have constsancy in the online database that is accurate according to the rules. |
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| Registered: May 26, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,878 |
| | Posted: | | | | Good luck! I don't collect 3D movies, but I'd vote yes for the change if I did.  | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
-- Thorin Oakenshield |
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| Registered: October 30, 2011 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,870 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote:
Good luck!
I don't collect 3D movies, but I'd vote yes for the change if I did. I put the change out there, so far no "no" votes. The change in itself is not really 3D centric, it is mainly putting it in complaince with the standards. I am glad I asked these questions. It can get complicted and better to ask and get them in right |
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