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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm running across a screen credit for Story By for the various releases of Stagecoach. Now, generally speaking, I'm well aware that the credit is for original story idea, typically produced at the studio level. In this particular instance, it is well documented that the story in question is actually a short story originally published in the Saturday Evening Post a year or two before produciton. The proper author is getting screen credit, yet the credit only says Story By.
In my opinion, given the easily obtained information, I would say this is an Original Materal credit and not the intended Story By credit. I'm well aware that there are a group of folks who are less able to do this sort of crtical thinking, so I'm looking for a consensus.
In defense of my position, I will mention that there are numerous examples of more well known works that get Original Material credits without the screen credit being explicit. Say an Alexander Dumas book, where you might get Alexander Dumas' The Three Musketeers. We all know he wrote the book and credit it as such, even if there is no explicit based on the book by screen credit.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have to say... where that credit is listed in the rules...telling us what to use... I would only list it exactly as the rules tells us (story by). For the online database the credits must be per the rules.
I don't see how you could do anything different without breaking the rules... so that is the only way I would contribute or vote. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | So then Story By really has no actual meaning, it's just a verbatum regurgitation of what we see? I can live with that answer. It's not what I would do locally as I prefer my data fields to actually confer some useful information, but I see your side. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | In my eyes... yes. I see it no different then copying typos that we see in credits or overview and such. We make the profile accurate to what is in the credits. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just to play devil's advocate, if you saw Three Musketeers, story by Alexander Dumas you would give that a Story By also even though you know it was a book written hundreds of years ago? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yes I would... but that could also be because I never heard of Alexander Dumas. You need to remember... not everyone is familiar with every famous person out there. Of course as long as the rules say what it says... and I did know who he was... I would put story by for the online (per Rules) and just change it locally. Because the way I see it... the online must be correct per the rules. And anything that would be against those rules would be local only. After all that is what the rules say... Rules Quote: Quote:
As part of our ongoing quest to maintain, improve and refine our DVD database, we have created these rules. These rules apply to online contributions. You can use DVD Profiler locally, or you can contribute to the main online database, or you can do both. If you want to contribute to the online database, the rules tell you how to complete each DVD Profiler field.
If you wish to save different information in your local profiles, you are free to do so in your local database, but do not contribute your information. The main database is standardized so that all profiles follow these rules. DVD Profiler allows you to lock your data so that it is not overwritten by updates from the main database. So I definitely believe as long as the rules says what they do... that is how it has to be for the online database. So in any case if the credits say Story by... then it is Story by in the profile. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Fair enough. I can live with that answer. It puts the onus back on the individual to have to research all his/her profiles which sort of dilutes the usefulness of the online, but that's not my problem. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
In defense of my position, I will mention that there are numerous examples of more well known works that get Original Material credits without the screen credit being explicit. Say an Alexander Dumas book, where you might get Alexander Dumas' The Three Musketeers. We all know he wrote the book and credit it as such, even if there is no explicit based on the book by screen credit. I don't know about anybody else, but I don't do this. The only OMB credits I enter are those with an explicit 'based on' screen credit.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,850 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I don't know about anybody else, but I don't do this. The only OMB credits I enter are those with an explicit 'based on' screen credit. So how would you enter "From the Novel by...", or would you omit it? --------------- | | | | Last edited: by scotthm |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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I don't know about anybody else, but I don't do this. The only OMB credits I enter are those with an explicit 'based on' screen credit.
So how would you enter "From the Novel by...", or would you omit it?
--------------- Shhhh...you've backed them into the I wouldn't enter it corner...which just makes everybody look silly. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting TheMadMartian:
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I don't know about anybody else, but I don't do this. The only OMB credits I enter are those with an explicit 'based on' screen credit.
So how would you enter "From the Novel by...", or would you omit it? That, though the wording isn't exact, is an explicit 'based on' screen credit...meaning there is an actual credit that states this film was based on that thing by this person. "Alexander Dumas' The Three Musketeers", on the other hand, is a possesive title, not an actual on screen credit. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,850 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
That, though the wording isn't exact, is an explicit 'based on' screen credit...meaning there is an actual credit that states this film was based on that thing by this person. "Alexander Dumas' The Three Musketeers", on the other hand, is a possesive title, not an actual on screen credit. I see. What do you suppose Victor Hugo is being credited with in this film?  --------------- |
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 823 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
So, what say you? Rigidly follow the rules, even though it doesn't follow common sense and doesn't produce useful data. Then, change it in your local. It doesn't make sense, but that's what the community wants. That tends to be the consensus every time. So that's what you should give them. Just my opinion. | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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In defense of my position, I will mention that there are numerous examples of more well known works that get Original Material credits without the screen credit being explicit. Say an Alexander Dumas book, where you might get Alexander Dumas' The Three Musketeers. We all know he wrote the book and credit it as such, even if there is no explicit based on the book by screen credit.
I don't know about anybody else, but I don't do this. The only OMB credits I enter are those with an explicit 'based on' screen credit. That is the only time I have used it as well. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,777 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thought provoking questions scotthm, but unnecessary. We all know that there is wiggle room when you want it and none when you don't.  I was certainly aware of that when I posed the original question, but it doesn't hurt to ask. Just trying to determine if this was one of those cases or not. Seems like not. |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,850 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mdnitoil: Quote:
We all know that there is wiggle room when you want it and none when you don't.
I was certainly aware of that when I posed the original question, but it doesn't hurt to ask. Just trying to determine if this was one of those cases or not. Seems like not. If there is no wiggle room then the credit can't be contributed at all. The onscreen credit is "Original Story". This wording does not appear in the credit table. However, if there is any "wiggle room" at all then we may still be able to credit this writer. The only place the word "Original" shows up in the Credited As column is on the line for OMB, and the note: "Adapted from another medium". --------------- |
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