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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | So I'm working on a profile and in the opening credits there's one guy credited with "Co-Produced and Co-Written by", obviously the former is not included, but what about the writer part? I would assume so but thought I would ask.
The next one is, above the "Music by" credit is another guy credited as the "Executive Composer". Would he be included as a composer? If so, would I use the Group Divider to say so or just leave it as Composer? I should note that this person is Klaus Badelt who, in my database, credited with 26 titles (including Equilibrium, Pirates of the Caribbean 1, Rescue Dawn and The Recruit). | | | | Last edited: by The Movieman |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Co-writer is not prohibited in the rules. Some people will say that it is implied, because a co-credit is disallowed in other areas. While I can see that point of view, there is another one...that only those specifically mentioned are disallowed and all others are o.k.. Because I can see both sides of this, I wouldn't vote 'no' to it's addition.
While 'Executive Composer' isn't listed, he is a composer. Does the fact that he is the Executive Composer change that fact? I don't know. Is there another composer credit listed? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Below it says "Music by" (not song writers, I checked in the end credits) with two additional names.
Edit: I'm wondering being a veteran, Badelt oversaw the score with the other two actually doing the composing. | | | | Last edited: by The Movieman |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,733 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Co-writer is not prohibited in the rules. Some people will say that it is implied, because a co-credit is disallowed in other areas. Not just because it's implied, but because of the simple, blanket rule that says: "If someone is not credited with one of these roles (or direct translations of these roles), do not include them in the Crew section." "Co-writer" is not listed as a valid role for our purposes, nor is it a "direct translation" of a valid role, and that's why it's not allowed. Of course, we can still track it locally using the excellent "Custom Crew" feature. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Not just because it's implied, but because of the simple, blanket rule that says: "If someone is not credited with one of these roles (or direct translations of these roles), do not include them in the Crew section." "Co-writer" is not listed as a valid role for our purposes, nor is it a "direct translation" of a valid role, and that's why it's not allowed. I was expecting this argument, but if this line of thinking is correct, why list them at all? I mean, if all we are allowed to enter is 'Director' or 'Directed by', because those are the only roles in that column, why list 'Co-Director' as an incorrect role? Seems to me that the only reason to list them for some roles, is because they are acceptible in others. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,733 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
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Not just because it's implied, but because of the simple, blanket rule that says: "If someone is not credited with one of these roles (or direct translations of these roles), do not include them in the Crew section." "Co-writer" is not listed as a valid role for our purposes, nor is it a "direct translation" of a valid role, and that's why it's not allowed.
I was expecting this argument, but if this line of thinking is correct, why list them at all? The rules simply provide a few examples that help to explain to the average user what we are, and what we aren't after. That's all. But the rule is very simple: "If someone is not credited with one of these roles (or direct translations of these roles), do not include them in the Crew section." That's pretty much what our entire system of crew data boils down to: the rules state a number of allowed roles/jobs, and explicitly forbids anything else. If you're going to undermine that rule, then it's pretty much "anything goes" as far as crew is concerned, I'm afraid. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | i agree, tim. Some people seem to specialize in trying to undermine the Rules for whatever reasons. The program will evolve as will the rules. We will not be entering the same data a year from now that we are today. Just live with what we have today, tomorrow will take care of itself. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
The rules simply provide a few examples that help to explain to the average user what we are, and what we aren't after. Again, if we are only allowed to enter exactly what is listed in the 'Role' and 'Credited As' columns, there is no need for an 'Incorrect Roles' or 'Notes' column. No user, average or otherwise, needs examples to follow something that, in your own words, is very simple. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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