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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm looking at the cast of 1962 From Russia With Love , and am finding the actor /role of
Anthony Dawson [?] as Ernst Blofeld
Eric Pohlmann [?] as Ernst Blofeld (Voice)
are credited either with just a ? or as outlined above here with ? .. in the data banks of Invleos there are numerous DVD's under various Disc ID all with different or the same type of credit here ....
anyone know what the 'situation' / or the story is with this style of casting credit . ??
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | On screen actor credit for FRWL is a question mark (?) for Blofeld.
Someone, hopefully accurately, researched and found the actor(s) who did the body/voice and added those. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 906 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tweeter: Quote:
Someone, hopefully accurately, researched and found the actor(s) who did the body/voice and added those. It's mentioned in the commentaries for the movie where they explain why. I don't remember the explanation though. Also, there is a previous thread about it | | | 
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| Registered: May 11, 2007 |  Posts: 249 |
| | Posted: | | | | In the credits it just says this
? Ernst Blofeld
Apart from any other sources we know from the commentary on the disc that it was in fact Anthony Dawson who played Blofeld and Eric Pohlman who did the voice (I do not recall exactly why they are not credited in a 'normal' way).
In the Dutch profile this has been resolved by entering the credits as they are on film and then add two uncredited cast entries for these two actors. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | This is exceedingly simple. The Rules say to do it exactly As Credited in exactly the same order as credited.
Anthony Dawson is not , I repeat, NOT credited in the film credits. The credit reads ? Ernst Blofeld. Therefore the Rules tell you how to do it foir contribution, how you might choose locally is another story. There is plenty of documentation to include Anthony Dawson as (uncredited), now should he be credited as ? to cross refer to that specific credit or perhaps as Ernst BLOFELD. I have no opinion in that regard but I don't believe I would use the CLT on this title and credit and never have. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| | Posted: | | | | The rules also say, "Use the "Credited As" field where the actor's name differs from the credited name." Well, in this case, the actor's name does differ from the credited name so use of the 'credited as' feature seems appropriate as well. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | With the exception that because a ? is a very generic entry you could wind up with a conflict within the CLT, which is why I would NOT recommend it. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
With the exception that because a ? is a very generic entry you could wind up with a conflict within the CLT, which is why I would NOT recommend it. There are already conflicts in the CLT as this is not a unique credit. Why they chose to credit him this way, I do not know, but I don't see it any differently than an Alan Smithee credit. If we know the person behind the generic credit, using the 'credite as' feature seems appropriate and 'by the book'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
The rules also say, "Use the "Credited As" field where the actor's name differs from the credited name." Well, in this case, the actor's name does differ from the credited name so use of the 'credited as' feature seems appropriate as well. Exactly! No point of creating an actor named "?" when the names are well documented. Also no point of using the uncredited option as they are credited with a different alias who happen to not be a name. |
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| Registered: May 11, 2007 | | Posts: 249 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jimmy S: Quote:
Also no point of using the uncredited option as they are credited with a different alias who happen to not be a name. I disagree. There is a point, which is providing documentation that these actors are not credited by name in this film. |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | I haven't pulled out my copy to check it yet, but from what I understand it should be
Anthony Dawson [?] as Ernst Blofeld where ? is credited on screen.
And at the end of the credits
Eric Pohlmann as Ernst Blofeld's Voice (voice) (uncredited) with documentation. |
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| Registered: May 11, 2007 | | Posts: 249 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
I haven't pulled out my copy to check it yet, but from what I understand it should be
Anthony Dawson [?] as Ernst Blofeld where ? is credited on screen.
And at the end of the credits
Eric Pohlmann as Ernst Blofeld's Voice (voice) (uncredited) with documentation. Why would Anthony Dawson be entered as such when we only see part of his body? Is that more important than the bloke supplying the voice? |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting apltm: Quote:
Quoting Jimmy S:
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Also no point of using the uncredited option as they are credited with a different alias who happen to not be a name.
I disagree. There is a point, which is providing documentation that these actors are not credited by name in this film. This is exactly the "credited as" raison d'êtreUncredited is for cast not listed in the credit at all, not for cast credited under an alias... so it's : ...... Anthony Dawson [?] as Ernst Blofeld Eric Pohlmann [?] as Ernst Blofeld (voice) ...... | | | | Last edited: by Jimmy S |
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| Registered: May 11, 2007 | | Posts: 249 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Jimmy S: Quote:
Uncredited is for cast not listed in the credit at all, not for cast credited under an alias... I'm sorry, but I don't consider a single question mark an alias. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Maybe but it is so it's irelevent... | | | | Last edited: by Jimmy S |
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| Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,878 |
| | Posted: | | | | ? is also credited as The Monster's Mate in Bride of Frankenstein - who is in this case Elsa Lanchester. It's listed that way (Elsa Lanchester credited as ?) in my profile of that film.
I don't think this will create a CLT problem as Skip fears. After all, what can be done is to document the various different ways a single actor is credited in all of that actor's films, and since I don't think we're going to see the same actor credited in multiple films in that fashion, it shouldn't cause any conflicts. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
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