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| Registered: May 26, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,878 |
| | Posted: | | | | It used to be acceptable to take the rating - for DVDs in which no rating is given on the cover - from the official site of the rating agency (i.e. filmratings.com).
A quick look at the rules now lists that site under the rating details section, and says to take the rating as given on the cover.
Does this therefore mean that you cannot list the rating of a film if the cover does not list it?
This is in reference to many films released by Criterion, which almost never lists the film's rating on their covers. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | The rules state to use the cover only as long as I can remember for the Rating. I don't remember it ever saying otherwise.
I would have to find the post (sometimes easier said then done)... but I asked Ken about this... and he said it was OK to use a site like filmratings.com only if you can document that it is the theatrical version that is on the DVD. I am not sure how one goes about doing this... but that is what he said. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Found it here... Quoting Ken Cole:Quote:
You could argue that they're not unrated, but the same would hold true for NR. I would have no problem accepting the rating, but the burden of supporting the fact that they are the rated version would fall to the submitter. I do not, however, see the need to add this special case into the rules. So you can use the rating but you must be able to show that it is indeed the theatrical cut on the disc. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | I remember it the same way Pete does...that the rating always had to come from the cover. It's the "with the following constraints," and everything after, that is new. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: June 21, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | I remember it saying filmratings.com was fine if the details weren't printed on the dvd cover. Does this mean all those ratings I've got from there and submitted are wrong, that if the dvd just says "R" on back without reasons, the reasons posted at that site aren't valid? I have tons of dvds with just the rating on back and the theater cut on them, do I have to go lock them all down? Personally, I like knowing what is in the movies in my collection. I keep the theater ratings locked in on all my unrated titles as unrated usually means more of the same. I've stopped short at assigning rating reasons to older titles (like Scarface would get "Prevasive Violence and language throughout, drug use and brief nudity") but sometimes think that's coming next. I'd hate to have to lock down every theater cut dvd that doesn't have the reasons printed on back...  | | | | Last edited: by bigdaddyhorse |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bigdaddyhorse: Quote:
I remember it saying filmratings.com was fine if the details weren't printed on the dvd cover.
Does this mean all those ratings I've got from there and submitted are wrong, that if the dvd just says "R" on back without reasons, the reasons posted at that site aren't valid? I have tons of dvds with just the rating on back and the theater cut on them, do I have to go lock them all down? Danae was talking about the actual rating, not the rating details. Rating details are covered in the section below rating and still say "Filmratings.com, or the equivalent region-specific ratings information website." | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Right. We are talking about the actual rating itself. Not the details. When there is no rating at all on the DVD Release... don't even say NR or anything.
I personally wish Ken went the other way with it. I think it would have been more useful. But it is what it is I guess. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: May 26, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,878 |
| | Posted: | | | | Exactly as Pete and the Martian said. There are a lot of Criterion's releases that were rated in theatres, but Criterion did not publish the ratings on them. I just picked up Man Bites Dog, and when I looked something up about it, the article said it was rated NC-17. The profile was NR, so I checked filmratings.com and saw that was the correct rating, so I changed it.
I then looked up all the other Criterions I own that were made since 1968 and added & contributed those ratings. Three of them are not the original cut (Videodrome, Ride With the Devil, The Man Who Fell to Earth) and another is the original cut, but it wasn't originally released in the US (Kagemusha) so I have withdraw them. Of course, now the proper thing to do per the rules would be to go back and change all 4 of those to Unrated, since they are all different cuts of previously rated films. As I prefer the actual rating, which does at least say something, I won't bother with that.
As far as I know the others are not different cuts of the film, so I've let those contributions stand (I have both yes and no votes on several).
They are:
- Bad Timing (R)
- Black Moon (R)
- Cries and Whispers (R)
- Grey Gardens (PG)
- Life During Wartime (R)
- The Long Good Friday (R)
- Man Bites Dog (NC-17)
- Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence (R)
- Paris, Texas (R)
- Withnail and I (R)
- Z (PG) | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
-- Thorin Oakenshield | | | | Last edited: by Danae Cassandra |
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| Registered: April 7, 2007 |  Posts: 357 |
| | Posted: | | | | The rating of a Disk is not just that of the film and occasionally subsequent home cinema releases do sometimes get different ratings to the theatrical release anyway. All the component parts eg featurettes and commentaries would also need to be rated and the disk gets the highest rating. |
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| Registered: May 26, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,878 |
| | Posted: | | | | That's not how it is in the US. Only the film is rated over here.
Featurettes, commentaries and other extras are not rated in the US. I have heard however that it is different in the UK. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
-- Thorin Oakenshield |
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| Registered: April 7, 2007 | | Posts: 357 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Danae Cassandra: Quote:
That's not how it is in the US. Only the film is rated over here.
Featurettes, commentaries and other extras are not rated in the US. I have heard however that it is different in the UK. I didn't know that, thanks. It is indeed different in the UK the feature and bonus items all have to be submitted even if it's the theatrical release and occasionally they get a different certificate. There are no "unrated" DVDs in the UK. | | | | Last edited: by Graveworm |
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