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Subtitles and Contributions of in particular new Releases.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantsvenlind
Registered: June 9, 2007
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I would like to appeal to early contributors of new releases to be especially careful to specify subtitles. I think that many people, myself included, use the Invelos database to check for subtitles. Buying films from UK or US is often considerably cheaper than buying locally (Denmark in my case).
A good example is the new Blu-ray release of Star Wars. According to the cover there are only English subtitles, but in fact there are 9 more languages subtitled. (Danish included  ). The Star Wars set is appr. $50 cheaper in UK than in Denmark.
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Saying "this DVD has only English subs" when it also has danish, castellano ( ) and german subs is IMHO less wrong than to say that it has anish subs when it actually hasn't.

Profiles are built iteratively.

At first there's the guy who enters the UPC, the basic title, genres and a pre-release cover art. Then when the title is released several people enter the basic stuff like aspect ratio, audio tracks (at least the languages) and disc IDs.

Then come the heavy hitters who either copy cats/crew from another release or enter it manually. They do a full audit. They enter auido tracks as encoded, subtitles and so forth.

When a title is new the profile will always be more spartan than a profile that is several months or years old.

Star Wars is no difference. But you can assume that in a week or so it will be pretty complete.


Statistically speaking there are more people who buy DVDs and Blu-rays to actually watch them than there are who obsess with correct profiles.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantsvenlind
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I am not obsessed with correct profiles. I only meant that I often use the Invelos database to make a buying decision. Information about subtitles are very often missing from the sites that sell the DVD's and Blu-rays.

Info about the film itself and pictures of covers are easily found. An entry in the Invelos database with only an UPC and a coverscan is really not very useful.
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Quoting svenlind:
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Info about the film itself and pictures of covers are easily found. An entry in the Invelos database with only an UPC and a coverscan is really not very useful.


a) if that info is so easily found, why don't you use these sources?

b) If you don't have the actual DVD every assumption on audio tracks and subtitles is sketchy at best. Who's to say that these websites got it right?

And when you actually own the title on release date and contribute it, it still takes 5-7 days to make that data available to everyone (the normal contribution process).


Just food for thought.
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Quoting svenlind:
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I am not obsessed with correct profiles. I only meant that I often use the Invelos database to make a buying decision. Information about subtitles are very often missing from the sites that sell the DVD's and Blu-rays.

Info about the film itself and pictures of covers are easily found. An entry in the Invelos database with only an UPC and a coverscan is really not very useful.


If, as you state, the sites that actually sell the DVDs and Blu-rays don't provide the information you need, i.e., subtitles, then how, pray-tell, are the users who contribute pre-release titles supposed to obtain that information...by crystal ball? Pre-release contributions contain the info provided by the retailers and the retailers get their info from the distributors. If that info isn't available then it doesn't get included in the contribution. If the distributor can provide that info, then why aren't you using them as your source?
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Quoting svenlind:
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I am not obsessed with correct profiles. I only meant that I often use the Invelos database to make a buying decision. Information about subtitles are very often missing from the sites that sell the DVD's and Blu-rays.

Info about the film itself and pictures of covers are easily found. An entry in the Invelos database with only an UPC and a coverscan is really not very useful.

I regularly contribute future releases, but the information you can get is partial at best, and quite often turns out to be incorrect in respect of technical features.
So Invelos has the policy that for such contributions profiles have bare bones information only. And that may not include subtitles (or not all of them) until the DVD is actually available.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantsvenlind
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a) if that info is so easily found, why don't you use these sources?
Just food for thought.


Well I certainly use that information, but as I mentioned the info about subtitles are very often missing.
I personally don't see much use of prerelease information that only contains a cover and an UPS, but maybe other people do.

You can't of course submit information that you don't have. I was only trying to appeal that people that do have access to the discs supply information about subtitles when they contribute.

According to discussions on Amazon lots of people search information on subtitles and many mention that while they read English very well, then subtitles, if only in English, are very useful.
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I try to add/correct subtitles to new releases whenever possible.

Warner Home Video (for example) are particularly bad about not listing all of the Subtitles and Audio Track choices on the back cover. Usually they'll only list a few (often incorrectly even then) – yet the disc menu set-up will offer many more choices. That's one studio you can really never guess with, and the audio/subtitles pre-release info almost always turns out to be wrong.
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