I don't care about the logos as I prefer the movies... so for me better quality wins.

I think in the end the better quality scan should win but the danger here is ping-ponging scans around. There should be a clarification which scan is the preferred one for the online database. Right now I would say that the better quality scan should be used and that the vote should be yes if the quality is better.

Is there a reason why you didn't scan the flip side without the rating logo?

Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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As an outsider's opinion... I voted I am undecided about this one. Where the rule allows either side of the cover... I can see voting to keep an image that don't have the rating logo... if that is what they prefer. But at the same time I feel that the quality of the scans should be a consideration as well.

I guess if I was in this situation as a voter I would have to weigh the benefits... do I feel there is enough of a quality improvement to accept the addition of a scan with the rating logo? Or am I satisfied enough with the quality of the current to vote no because I don't want the logo. So I guess in my eyes it my opinion would have to be on a case by case basis.

But Pete, since the rules talk about significant improvement and not if the cover has the rating logo or not, shouldn't the vote, according to the rules, be yes?

Dirk

Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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Without seeing the scans I have no way of knowing that... Didn't you read the second paragraph of what I wrote? I said I would have to weigh the amount of improvement to the fact that the logo side was used. After all... define significant? That is something that everyone has to decide when looking at it. And what is significant to one person may not be significant to others.

I did read it. What I tried to say is that if the scans are an improvement, that's the important point, if they are an improvement the vote, according to the rules, has to be yes. The vote shouldn't have anything to do with the rating logo in this case. That's what I was trying to say.

But see... the rules don't say there must be an improvement... matter of fact the word improvement isn't even on the entire Cover Image Rules Page.

The rules say...

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Before submitting new scans of cover art, make sure your new covers are of significantly higher quality than the existing online images, and meet the following criteria:

See what I put in bold. so just an improvement is not necessarily enough... I would have to find it...  I even remember Gerri making such a comment that there was more to it then that. But they have to be of significant higher quality. So I once again ask... what is significant? That is going to be different per person.

So yes... even going strictly by what the rules says... everyone would have to decide whether the improvement is significant.

Yes... some will say ANY improvement is significant. But some will not. And whether we like it or not the rules support making the decision if the improvement of image quality is significant or not.

But no you are wrong in thinking any improvement must be voted yes to.

I agree with Kathy. It wouldn't matter to me whether the new image with logo was sharper or not. The addition of a big logo would be a significant non-improvement to me. My vote, therefore, would be no.

Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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Without seeing the scans I have no way of knowing that...

Maybe this helps a bit.
The "No"-votes came with reasonings like this:

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scans are much better, but please use the site without the FSK Logo

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IMO, the phrase "may be used" that is used in the rules indicates that both variants stand as equal. Otherwise the wording should have been "Must" or "Should be used".
So (again "in my opinion" only) personal preferences (rating logo Yes/No) shouldn't make any difference. If the scan has a better quality (in this case: better colours, sharpness, contrast), the voting should be "Yes".

Quoting Silence_of_Lambs:

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IMO, the phrase "may be used" that is used in the rules indicates that both variants stand as equal. Otherwise the wording should have been "Must" or "Should be used".
So (again "in my opinion" only) personal preferences (rating logo Yes/No) shouldn't make any difference. If the scan has a better quality (in this case: better colours, sharpness, contrast), the voting should be "Yes".

Everything you state here falls into the category of personal preference. Better colours, sharpness, contrast are all personal preferences. What may look better to you may not look better to others. IMO the rating logo falls into the same category. Everything must be taken into consideration when judging whether an image contribution is of higher quality than the existing image. The NO voters are absolutely correct in their assessment of the quality of your contribution. They feel that the logo detracts from the image quality as a whole, and I tend to agree with them.