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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorbbbbb
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Good evening, Sirs.

For our purposes, do you think this is a valid Writing credit?



It's from Bitch Slap.

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I would guess something like this will depend on what other writing credits (if any) there are.

If some standard writing credits exist, this should probably be local only. If the only writing credits, then they should be applied but I have no idea how to tag them (writer, screenwriter, omb, etc.)

Looking up "poet laureate" only makes it more complicated, but also has me leaning toward not incuding them no matter what the other credits are. Maybe if you can find some link(s) that mention this is just a fancy title for writer on the film, it would be fine to contribute with the link(s). Alomst sounds like "additional dialogue by" the more I look at it.
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Judging from how many profiles have them listed as such (look up those names in the CLT), it seems that most users ("real" users, that is, not the forum regulars) think it is.

Having done some research, I'm convinced that these are the people that deserve to be tracked in the writing section for this particular film. But since the current rules focus on the labels people get, rather than the job they've done, this is not contributable. As such, I would track these two locally using the excellent "custom crew" entries.
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I think it's no credit we track.
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From what I can tell, based on my limited research, these guys wrote the screenplay for the film Bitch Slap.  Should it be tracked?  Since they performed a crew job that we track, yes, it should.  Can it be tracked?  I guess that depends on how strict you want to interpret the rules.

As an aside, I only looked at the US profile...which was contributed by forum regulars...and I am curious as to why they chose 'Writer' instead of 'Screenwriter'...IMDb says 'Screenplay'.
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Okay, this is a perfect example of when something needs to be taken into context.  Most of the credits for this particular film are of the smart-butt variety.  The writing credit just happens to be the most egregious.  For this particular film, if you don't allow for their rather odd sense of humor, then you end up with very few actual credits.  If I recall correctly, almost every single crew member has been given some sort of ridiculous nickname as well.  The point here of course is, if you're going to strip the writing credit because of a narrow interpretation, then you better be prepared to strip a lot more for that same reason.

As far as the US profile goes, I remember choosing writer because we used to have a general rule of thumb that screenplays were used when there was a story it was based on, writing was when it was all original.  Since there was some interpretation involved, I fell back on this old rule.  It's an outdated concept so the profile can be updated.  I still vividly remember when I decided to profile this disc, instantly regretting it because the credits were such a pain in the butt.  This disc forces a profiler to choose between generating something that's actually useful, versus a bare profile that's exactly correct.  Since custom roles are only valid for the local profiler, I chose usefulness over exactness.  The people's names do appear in the credits and they did fulfill the roles they were assigned to.
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As far as the US profile goes, I remember choosing writer because we used to have a general rule of thumb that screenplays were used when there was a story it was based on, writing was when it was all original.  Since there was some interpretation involved, I fell back on this old rule.  It's an outdated concept so the profile can be updated.  I still vividly remember when I decided to profile this disc, instantly regretting it because the credits were such a pain in the butt.  This disc forces a profiler to choose between generating something that's actually useful, versus a bare profile that's exactly correct.  Since custom roles are only valid for the local profiler, I chose usefulness over exactness.  The people's names do appear in the credits and they did fulfill the roles they were assigned to.

That's what I figured, after I thought about it.  As I said, I was just curious.
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Okay, this is a perfect example of when something needs to be taken into context.  Most of the credits for this particular film are of the smart-butt variety.  The writing credit just happens to be the most egregious.  For this particular film, if you don't allow for their rather odd sense of humor, then you end up with very few actual credits.  If I recall correctly, almost every single crew member has been given some sort of ridiculous nickname as well.  The point here of course is, if you're going to strip the writing credit because of a narrow interpretation, then you better be prepared to strip a lot more for that same reason.



I hadn't seen the film, but with this knowledge now I'd say absolutely yes to include them and all others. I'd probably put the custom roles in my local, but leave the standard role clicked for contributing. Maybe mention all the witty credits in the notes for others who may want them.
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Unfortunately, this is one of those films where five different profilers will come up with five different answers.  We can ping-pong this thing to death because I don't think there is any "right" answer.  Whatever the community decides is fine by me.  Frankly, I remember being a little surprised that it went through as easily as it did.  As I recall there weren't any no votes, but then others were probably just relieved that they didn't have to deal with it. 
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Quoting the Rules:
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For each category, include only those people credited with the roles listed in the "Role" and "Credited As" columns. If someone is not credited with one of these roles (or direct translations of these roles), do not include them in the Crew section.


Why is it that everyone has such a hard time with this section of the Rules?  It is crystal clear!

For the online database, they cannot be entered.  Use the custom roles in your local database.

When Ken adds new entries to the crew table or gives us the ability to enter "actual" crew titles, THEN they can be contributed.
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I'd vote yes on this for writing credit if I came across it.
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Quoting the Rules:
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For each category, include only those people credited with the roles listed in the "Role" and "Credited As" columns. If someone is not credited with one of these roles (or direct translations of these roles), do not include them in the Crew section.


Why is it that everyone has such a hard time with this section of the Rules?  It is crystal clear!

For the same reason you had a hard time with it when it meant no OMB credit.  If you could understand it then, why can't you understand it now?  Just to be clear, I am not asking that you agree with them but, at the very least, you should understand.
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There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
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We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
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Per the rules- they would not be credited in the database. There is no personal interpretation of the rules, and in most cases common sense is not allowed. So using a play on words I would have to "Bitch Slap" a no on this contribution if I owned the DVD.
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Per the rules- they would not be credited in the database. There is no personal interpretation of the rules, and in most cases common sense is not allowed.

+1

The fact is that the majority of users, in this forum, always refused to introduce common sense in rules. So we have, unfortunately, to live with that.
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