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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | There was a contribution that was just accepted by the screeners. Among other things, it took the cast that were puppeteers and put them under a group divider, then removed the (puppeteer) tag from the individual cast members. It included a comment to the effect that the group divider made the puppeteer rule invalid. I had voted no, citing the rule Quote:
If puppeteers are included in the end credits include them and append (puppeteer) at the end of the role. The screeners may very well have approved the contribution because the good outweighed the bad (significant improvement). The question Would it be valid to submit a contribution that replaces the (puppeteer) tag for the individual cast, or should it just be left alone? |
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| Registered: May 11, 2007 |  Posts: 249 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would have voted no as well... The rules are quite clear.
Using a divider has nothing to do with using (puppeteer) or the voice checkbox for that matter. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with you. As long as the rules state to append (puppeteer) at the end of the role we need to follow it. I have changed the puppeteers to a group divider before and always appended (puppeteer) as well since that is what the rules tells us.
No user has the right to say any rule is invalid. That is only up to Ken & Gerri to decide. Until such time the rule must be followed.
I also wouldn't take the acceptance of such a contribution as anything more then either significant improvement or a simple error. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,741 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sorry guys, that would be mine. It just doesn't make any sense to me to use (puppeteer) role and a divider. That said, I am all about the rules with this one exception. I know, you're going to say, either you're for the rules or against. nuff said. | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't know if the rule doesn't make sense.
Something I could imagine what's the sense of this rule (even with a divider):
Maybe Ken plans to add a flag puppeteers like we have it for voice only. With the appendum the existing entries maybe could be changed directly in the database. |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,741 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've come to a decision, I will no longer contribute cast or crew that have puppeteers, so as not to offend anyone. | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
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| Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | The big reason I bring this up,
We have enough rules that are ambiguous, and leave plenty of room for interpretation.
We have people that argue, "since it isn't in the rules, it is allowed" or "Since it isn't in the rules, then it isn't allowed".
I do not have an issue with the request or debate for a rule change, though, I don't think the contribution system is the place to try to change an established rule, that leaves no room for interpretation.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,733 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I agree with you. As long as the rules state to append (puppeteer) at the end of the role we need to follow it. I have changed the puppeteers to a group divider before and always appended (puppeteer) as well since that is what the rules tells us. This. Quote:
I also wouldn't take the acceptance of such a contribution as anything more then either significant improvement or a simple error. And this, too. |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,741 |
| | Posted: | | | | Not a problem, that is why I said I won't contribute those with puppeteers. I am in total agreement with you about the rule changes and clarifications that are desperately needed. It's obviously not going to happen, so I will stop contributing them and just keep it local. That will of course stop me from contributing the other cast/crew changes that I will have made upon reaudit. | | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree, it doesn't make sense to include the role now that we have the dividers. While I can't know for sure, I am guessing that it was something Ken didn't even think about when he added them. I also agree that it changes nothing. As far as contributions are concerned, sense or not, the rules are quite clear. I actually had more to say, but it would probably end up causing some hurt feelings, so I will leave it at that.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: May 11, 2007 | | Posts: 249 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
Something I could imagine what's the sense of this rule (even with a divider):
Maybe Ken plans to add a flag puppeteers like we have it for voice only. With the appendum the existing entries maybe could be changed directly in the database. That has been my feeling as well; the (puppeteer) designation is something one can easily do an update of a database field on. And of course in the past we had the same situation with the (voice) designation that was changed into a checkbox. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | As well as the uncredited cast. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting mreeder50: Quote:
Sorry guys, that would be mine. It just doesn't make any sense to me to use (puppeteer) role and a divider. That said, I am all about the rules with this one exception. I know, you're going to say, either you're for the rules or against. nuff said. It doesn't make any difference whether it makes sense to you or not, it is what the Rule says, please follow it. I hope that you submit an amended and corrected profile. Sorry guy | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
It doesn't make any difference whether it makes sense to you or not, it is what the Rule says, please follow it. I hope that you submit an amended and corrected profile. Sorry guy Based on his last post, I am guessing that he will withdraw and submit nothing. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Going by Charlie's first post the profile has already been approved.... Quoting CharlieM: Quote:
There was a contribution that was just accepted by the screeners. Of course there might have been other profiles that he withdrew. Since I don't think your question was ever answered Charlie... Yes I would recontribute adding the (puppeteer) tag to the roles. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
Going by Charlie's first post the profile has already been approved....
Quoting CharlieM:
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There was a contribution that was just accepted by the screeners. Thanks Pete. Not sure how I missed that. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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