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| Registered: May 11, 2007 |  Posts: 249 |
| | Posted: | | | | Recently I got the Blu-ray Collector's Edition of Apocalypse Now.
On the slip cover it says regions A and B but of the three discs included, the disc with special features is region free.
So what do we enter for the profile?
I would say regions A and B because they are the only regions where all of the discs can be used, but I am in doubt... |
| | Registered: April 17, 2007 |  Posts: 771 |
| | Posted: | | | | Makes sense to me. | | |  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hallo-marvin: Quote:
Makes sense to me. Me too. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,217 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting apltm: Quote:
I would say regions A and B because they are the only regions where all of the discs can be used, but I am in doubt... In this case it's easy, A & B. It would be harder (in my opinion) if it were the other way around: Disc one and two A & B but the Bonus only A ... an old thread from 2008 about this brought a pretty inconclusive result. cya, Mithi | | | | Mithi's little XSLT tinkering - the power of XML --- DVD-Profiler Mini-Wiki |
| | Registered: July 22, 2007 | | Posts: 348 |
| | Posted: | | | | In this case it is indeed easy: A & B
Why, because you are applying the region coding to the main product of the release, the movies.
If for some weird reason, one of the movie discs was region A and the other movie disc was regions A & B, then it would be a very tough call. | | | Mr Video Productions
If it isn't Unix, it isn't an OS :-) |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 5,734 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting apltm: Quote:
On the slip cover it says regions A and B but of the three discs included, the disc with special features is region free.
So what do we enter for the profile? Definitely b. | | | | Don't confuse while the film is playing with when the film is played. [Ken Cole, DVD Profiler Architect] |
| | Registered: September 18, 2008 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 2,650 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just to be devil's advocate, what happened to the "we don't profile the movies, we profile the release" crowd? Part of the release is region free so and the rules clearly state: Quote:
List the Region(s) shown on the cover, unless you can verify there is a discrepancy between that and the region coding on the disc.
When adding regions not listed on the cover, include your verification method (including of RCE presence) in your contribution notes. btw, I would vote yes to either contribution but lock it locally to A/B as personal preference but the rules don't say anything about which disc or personal preference so really, it should be free as it's the release, not the film we profile.  |
| | Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bbbbb: Quote:
Quoting apltm:
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On the slip cover it says regions A and B but of the three discs included, the disc with special features is region free.
So what do we enter for the profile?
Definitely b. You must be joking. We all know it's A. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting samuelrichardscott: Quote:
Just to be devil's advocate, what happened to the "we don't profile the movies, we profile the release" crowd? Part of the release is region free so and the rules clearly state:
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List the Region(s) shown on the cover, unless you can verify there is a discrepancy between that and the region coding on the disc.
When adding regions not listed on the cover, include your verification method (including of RCE presence) in your contribution notes.
btw, I would vote yes to either contribution but lock it locally to A/B as personal preference but the rules don't say anything about which disc or personal preference so really, it should be free as it's the release, not the film we profile. Actually, as far as I can tell, we profile the main feature, we don't profile bonus material* and, based on the OP, the second disc is all bonus material. That being the case, the rule you quoted doesn't apply. *The only time we profile bonus material is when it is included in a Box Set and it applies to all films in the set. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: September 18, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,650 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Actually, as far as I can tell, we profile the main feature, we don't profile bonus material* and, based on the OP, the second disc is all bonus material. That being the case, the rule you quoted doesn't apply.
*The only time we profile bonus material is when it is included in a Box Set and it applies to all films in the set. Of course we 'profile' extras. There is a whole section, and we include commentaries in the soundtracks. I don't see anywhere in the rules that says the region encoding is for the 'feature' disc only, whilst the credits section of the rules tells us to profile from the 'film credits only'. In other words are we profiling the movie or the DVD? I see the comment made at people like Yves all the time that we are profiling the DVD, not the movie so why would the region encoding of a DVD be different? | | | | Last edited: by samuelrichardscott |
| | Registered: July 22, 2007 | | Posts: 348 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting samuelrichardscott: Quote:
In other words are we profiling the movie or the DVD? I see the comment made at people like Yves all the time that we are profiling the DVD, not the movie so why would the region encoding of a DVD be different? IMHO, we are entering the region code for the main Blu-ray/DVD disc that the release was designed for. The odds are extremely high that the region code that is listed on the package is for the main disc, not for any extras discs that do not contain the main product. So, so what if an "extras" disc isn't region coded. The production company obviously isn't worried that it can be played anywhere, as they are only trying to control the playback of the main product. | | | Mr Video Productions
If it isn't Unix, it isn't an OS :-) |
| | Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with those who says only list regions that work for all discs in the package. Whether it's a feature disc doesn't matter. |
| | Registered: September 18, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,650 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting MrVideo: Quote:
Quoting samuelrichardscott:
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In other words are we profiling the movie or the DVD? I see the comment made at people like Yves all the time that we are profiling the DVD, not the movie so why would the region encoding of a DVD be different?
IMHO, we are entering the region code for the main Blu-ray/DVD disc that the release was designed for. The odds are extremely high that the region code that is listed on the package is for the main disc, not for any extras discs that do not contain the main product.
So, so what if an "extras" disc isn't region coded. The production company obviously isn't worried that it can be played anywhere, as they are only trying to control the playback of the main product. It's not about opinions, it's about what the rules state and the rules do not state that we should only enter the region coding from the feature disc. (Again, my opinion is the same as the concensus, but the simple fact is that listing it as region free is not against the rules so voting no would be a bad vote) |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting samuelrichardscott: Quote:
Of course we 'profile' extras. There is a whole section, and we include commentaries in the soundtracks. Yes, there is a whole section where we can list the extras included in the release, but we don't actually profile any of those extras...no running time, no rating, no cast, no crew, etc. As for commentaries, we include only those commentaries that are playable during the main feature...or am I missing something here? Quote:
I don't see anywhere in the rules that says the region encoding is for the 'feature' disc only, whilst the credits section of the rules tells us to profile from the 'film credits only'.
In other words are we profiling the movie or the DVD? I see the comment made at people like Yves all the time that we are profiling the DVD, not the movie so why would the region encoding of a DVD be different? Actually, I think the comments are, "This is DVD Profiler, not Movie Profiler." The meaning being, we are profiling this specific release of the film, not the actual film as it was shown in theaters. Quote:
It's not about opinions, it's about what the rules state and the rules do not state that we should only enter the region coding from the feature disc. Of course it is about opinions. Anything that comes from someone, other than Ken or Gerri, is opinion and, in my opinion, when taken as a whole, the rules indicate that we are profiling the main feature. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: September 18, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,650 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting samuelrichardscott:
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Of course we 'profile' extras. There is a whole section, and we include commentaries in the soundtracks.
Yes, there is a whole section where we can list the extras included in the release, but we don't actually profile any of those extras...no running time, no rating, no cast, no crew, etc. As for commentaries, we include only those commentaries that are playable during the main feature...or am I missing something here? You're not missing anything. You said we don't profile the extras. We do albeit in a basic way. I never said we profile the extras runtimes or is it me that is missing something? Quote:
I don't see anywhere in the rules that says the region encoding is for the 'feature' disc only, whilst the credits section of the rules tells us to profile from the 'film credits only'.
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In other words are we profiling the movie or the DVD? I see the comment made at people like Yves all the time that we are profiling the DVD, not the movie so why would the region encoding of a DVD be different?
Actually, I think the comments are, "This is DVD Profiler, not Movie Profiler." The meaning being, we are profiling this specific release of the film, not the actual film as it was shown in theaters. So we profile the DVD? Which has a disc that is region free? Quote:
Anything that comes from someone, other than Ken or Gerri, is opinion and, in my opinion, when taken as a whole, the rules indicate that we are profiling the main feature. We are profiling the DVD release, not the movie. As you said above, what is often said is this is DVD Profiler, not Movie Profiler. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting samuelrichardscott: Quote:
You're not missing anything. You said we don't profile the extras. We do albeit in a basic way. I never said we profile the extras runtimes or is it me that is missing something? I guess we have two different definitions of the word 'profile'. I don't consider listing the extras profiling them. What we do with the main feature...cast, crew, runtime, rating, etc....is what I consider profiling. Quote:
So we profile the DVD? Which has a disc that is region free? No, we profile the release. The fact that the release includes a disc that is region free does not make it a region free release. For it to be region free, in my opinion, the entire thing must be region free. Quote:
We are profiling the DVD release, not the movie. As you said above, what is often said is this is DVD Profiler, not Movie Profiler. We are profiling the DVD/HD-DVD/Blu-ray release of the movie. This is supported, in my opinion, by the fact that we don't list any details for any of the extra features...no cast, no crew, no runtime, no aspect ratios, no audio details, nothing. All we list are what those extra features are. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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