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Question about original material by - The Lost World 1960
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorreybr
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Hi,

I have a question about the credits for the 1960s version of The Lost World

The credit says "an Irvin Allen production of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's The Lost World" split over two screens where Arthur Conan Doyle's The Lost World is on the second screen. You can see the title screen on this page. (Scroll a bit down. I'm not linking directly to the image as the owner of the page asks us not to). That is the only mention of Arthur Conan Doyle.

Is it ok to list Arthur Conan Doyle as OMB or would there be objections?

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I would list him.


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I would list him.


I wouldn't because he's not listed in the credits but only in the title. The rules tell us to take the crew credits from the film credits only.
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I am not going to say yes he should be added... and not going to say no he shouldn't I don't mess with crew credits enough to say one way or the other. All I will say is... looking at the image... it is a possessive. How would this be any different the any other possessive? Stephen King's It, John Carpenter's Vampires, Robin Cook's Terminal.... all possessives... do they all get OMB. If not... why not?

Like I said... I am not saying it is right or if it is wrong. But it seems to me it would open a heck of a door... and cause a lot of discussions if it isn't so for all possessives.
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The film's title is in the credits ("opening credits").
The statement in the rules mean, that you should take the crew from what you can read in the film's credits (to which I count the title display) and not from another source like IMDb.


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I was scratching my head there a moment till I saw Corne posted right before me. 
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I wouldn't enter it as it is part of the title, not an actual credit.
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If this is the only credit for him, I wouldn't enter it for a contribution.
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It seems clear to me that the intention on the part of the filmmakers was to credit ACD as the author of the source material.  The fact that a strict reading of the Rules precludes entering that credit is indicative of the difficulty of writing rules to encompass all eventualities.

I would include the credit, making it clear in my notes the reasoning therefor.
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I have entered similar credits as OMB in the past, things like William Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet, when that was the only writing credit given. Of course it still has to be based on, or adapted from, another work so just the fact that it is a possessive title isn't enough.
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OMB, but not part of the title.
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Hi,

I have a question about the credits for the 1960s version of The Lost World

The credit says "an Irvin Allen production of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's The Lost World" split over two screens where Arthur Conan Doyle's The Lost World is on the second screen. You can see the title screen on this page. (Scroll a bit down. I'm not linking directly to the image as the owner of the page asks us not to). That is the only mention of Arthur Conan Doyle.

Is it ok to list Arthur Conan Doyle as OMB or would there be objections?
Reybr:

this goes back to one of my major pet peeves where legitimate data has been included simply because some users don't like it or can't figure out how to get it sort the way they want. Sir Arthur does NOT get a an OMB credit so he should not be included. We have the same problem with Kenneth Brannagh's version of Hamlet, the only credit given Shakespeare is through possessive. I would include the possessive in the title and my sort title would be Lost World, The. Instead of using their heads those that don't like possessives or can't sort with them simply convinced Ken to say...Oh you don't like that data that is on the front cover, then go to the credit block and see if you can exclude it.<shrugs> Data is what it is, whether any of us like it or not and to exclude valid data based on the above excuses is sheer stupidity.
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OK. There's not even close to being an agreement so I will leave that OMB credit local even though he clearly had the original material.

So what about the 1925 version with this title card? OMB for that one?

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OK. There's not even close to being an agreement so I will leave that OMB credit local even though he clearly had the original material.

So what about the 1925 version with this title card? OMB for that one?

Unfortunately, this doesn't qualify either...at least not in my opinion.  An OMB credit, according to the rule chart, must start with 'Based on' or 'Original Material by'.
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As Conan Doyle wrote the novel The Lost World he is obviously responsible for the original material.

However, a lot of folk are anal about things being exactly a certain way and would seek to exclude him from being credited in this way.

I would totally list him in my local.
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