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Lenticular Covers
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorruineddaydreams
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I don't normally hang in this forum for obvious reasons... but I felt like I should put my opinion out there on this problem... many of the new blu-ray 3d titles are coming with a lenticular "3D" sleeve that is basically unscannable. People are scanning this and contributing based on the rule:

The inner sleeve may be used in lieu of the front cover as long as the only difference is the exclusion of sticker(s) or rating overlays.

Maybe some of you who participate more in the contribution process could shed some light on this for me... I am fairly sure the rule used to read that you could use the inner cover if the image was the same and it was easier to scan due to reflective surfaces, etc, on the slip cover as long as the inner art matched the outer art. Did the rule change or am I mistaken? and if it did change... why?

Surely we can not think that a blurry scan of the lenticular is better then a clear scan of the artwork...
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I don't normally hang in this forum for obvious reasons...

What "obvious reasons..."?!
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I can only speak for myself, but I always prefer the image of the slip case/cover. If it's unscannable, I'll try photographing it.

Piranha 3D, UPC8716777931486, has a lenticular slip cover, and I think the result is good. The front is just a photograph of the cover.
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As with so much it all seems to come down to personal preference. For myself, I prefer to have an image that captures the lenticular effect whenever possible. If, however, the results are a blurry, blotchy mess, then I prefer the interior art if identical. It is really a case-by-case decision for me when voting. Not much help to you, I realize, but there it is.
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Quoting ruineddaydreams:
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I don't normally hang in this forum for obvious reasons... but I felt like I should put my opinion out there on this problem... many of the new blu-ray 3d titles are coming with a lenticular "3D" sleeve that is basically unscannable. People are scanning this and contributing based on the rule:

The inner sleeve may be used in lieu of the front cover as long as the only difference is the exclusion of sticker(s) or rating overlays.

That would be wrong. This particular rule was added for "Wendecover", Cover-sleeves that are printed on both sides, the inner side often without rating-logos.
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I am fairly sure the rule used to read that you could use the inner cover if the image was the same and it was easier to scan due to reflective surfaces,

Yes, and this rule ist still there, Bullet-point 8
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Surely we can not think that a blurry scan of the lenticular is better then a clear scan of the artwork...

Well, as of now, I don't see anything in the rules that would allow me not to scan the lenticular. Of course the "reflective" part could easily extended to "reflective, lenticular or otherwise structured in a way that makes it impossible to scan it appropriately"

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I've submitted a bunch of lenticular covers in my time. Always trying to get the best possible scan.

Oddly enough, I don't have a single lenticular cover scan in my entire local... 

And yes, the rule you remember is still in effect about scanning the artwork beneath the slip cover if it will achieve a better result (see Mithi's post).

The biggest problem we're facing now in regards to this particular issue is with blu-ray slip covers. Because the program now automatically adds a blu-ray (or blu-ray combo) banner to the top of every blu-ray profile that does NOT have a slip cover, we really don't have any choice BUT to scan in the blu-ray slip cover now, even if it is lenticular or reflective or just all around a pain in the a$$ to scan. If we were to scan in the artwork beneath a) some would argue it's not identical to the slip cover (which would mostly be true as there's usually small differences, even if it's just the way the overview is arranged, or how big the banner at the top is) and b) the size is different (the slip cover would not have the banner added to it and is slightly bigger than the artwork below, because slip cover would still need to be checked, no banner would be added, and the artwork scan would be smaller than a usual slip cover scan, making the size of covers in a local inconsistent... and you can bet your nuts someone around these parts will find that enough of a reason to moan and complain).

I'm not a fan of the slip cover rule when the slip cover is highly reflective (you should see the crap Black Swan cover submission I had to make last week because the underneath artwork was different, and it was like me sixth attempt at trying to get a nice cover for it, but Natalie Portman ended up this sickish looking green tint because of the reflectiveness... and that was the BEST of the six tries) or lenticular. They produce annoying scans most of the time, whereas the artwork underneath would suffice just fine... for me.

But like Bob said... it's all basically personal preference and no one's right or wrong in what they prefer, they're just right or wrong according to the lovely rules...
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Because the program now automatically adds a blu-ray (or blu-ray combo) banner to the top of every blu-ray profile that does NOT have a slip cover


Actually, that program feature is optional and I don't use it myself. But even if you use it, it can easily be controlled by manipulating the case type locally and lock it. It's not a perfect solution but it works.
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Because the program now automatically adds a blu-ray (or blu-ray combo) banner to the top of every blu-ray profile that does NOT have a slip cover


But even if you use it, it can easily be controlled by manipulating the case type locally and lock it. It's not a perfect solution but it works.


You don't have to change the case type. Simply go to the Covers tab and switch from Automatic to Off or On.
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You don't have to change the case type. Simply go to the Covers tab and switch from Automatic to Off or On.


Interesting, I didn't know that. But it only appears to work if you have chosen to use the default banners as a global setting. It does not work for me to turn on the banners if I have unticked "use default banners" in the media type settings. But I guess it does the job for those who normally want the banners and only want to disable it sometimes, and not the other way around.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorMike D.
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According to Gerri, as long as the covers are identical, not including a cut-out for the UPC, then you can use the image on the actual case. See the discussion here, that I had a few years ago about a similar issue.
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It does not work for me to turn on the banners if I have unticked "use default banners" in the media type settings. But I guess it does the job for those who normally want the banners and only want to disable it sometimes, and not the other way around.


It works for me. 









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Personally, I prefer the slip cover/case unless it's just so bad you can't really tell anything, but it's got to be really bad. My reason is really simple and anal, I want the cover I see on screen to reflect what is sitting on my shelf. Before my scanner quit working, I always scanned the whole Blu-ray case, round corners and all. When I get a new scanner, I will be scanning the ones that I am using from the online.
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It works for me. 


Well my image was also set to None, that should explain it. I thought it would use the default type if I didn't define anything else.
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