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Ability to add movies from online sources
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantJainser
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Registered: June 9, 2007
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Apologies if already mention elsewhere but what do people think about the option to add movies that have been brought online – for example from iTunes?

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Pete
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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Not interested, sorry...
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLewis_Prothero
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Not sure how this is supposed to work since this database needs a hardware identifier (Either EAN/UPC or DiscID), both is not available for downloaded content. Profiling downloads would mean a major rebuild of the database, so it is nothing I would expect in the near future.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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Registered: March 13, 2007
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Not interested/ You can add them to your local database if you wi8sh, you just cannot Contribute them. This is after all DVDProfiler not HDDProfiler which would encompass Itunes,, Digital Copies and so forth. I doubt seriously if Ken will come out with such a product in the near future, simply put HDD Movies is financially feasible for a library orf any size. To duplicate my own library on HDD would take approximately 150TB of Hard Drive Space , that does not include OS, Backup or any software, just not economically practical.
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Billy Video
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I see the same problem as Silence_of_Lambs.
And I don't download movies, so I'm also not interested.
Sorry.

Local you can, of course, profile what ever you want. For digital content there's also a nice plugin to start from DVDP. (LoadDVD)
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Something I also wouldn't be interested in.
Pete
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Registered: Oct 16, 2003
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Apart from storage limiitations, I don't think you can even buy movies online (iTunes, Amazon) unless you have an IP address in the USA. So proposal is of limited use at best.
Hans
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Quoting Staid S Barr:
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Apart from storage limiitations, I don't think you can even buy movies online (iTunes, Amazon) unless you have an IP address in the USA. So proposal is of limited use at best.


This is not entirely correct. In Germany there are online stores (e.g. MediaMarkt online) that sell permanent downloads already. Sadly this downloads are (still) DRM-infested and sold only to users that have German IP-adresses. But that's not much of a difference in comparison to music downloads and can easily be surpassed (Proxy).
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorNexus the Sixth
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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Since we now have Profiler for iPads/iPhones I actually think it's a feature that Invelos should consider at least for the app version. Physical media collectors are a dying race after all and if it widens the customer base, why not?
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorStaid S Barr
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Quoting Silence_of_Lambs:
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This is not entirely correct. In Germany there are online stores (e.g. MediaMarkt online) that sell permanent downloads already. Sadly this downloads are (still) DRM-infested and sold only to users that have German IP-adresses. But that's not much of a difference in comparison to music downloads and can easily be surpassed (Proxy).

That's the problem with DRM. It is used only in a very negative and restricitve way, and not only for music and movies.

Even for books (that never had "region coding" in hardware versions) the problem exists. I bought a Kindle from Amazon, but have no access to Amazon UK's books (despite EP regulations about movement of goods and services), Amazon DE and Amazon FR don't have any books to begin with (I can understand why, but still), which leaves only Amazon US. And a large proportion of books there (most that I looked at anyway) is not released for sales outside the US.

So contrary to KinoNiki's opinion, I don't think that physical media collectors are a dying breed yet. I may be willing to pay for digital media, but apparently no one is willing to sell.
Hans
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Quoting Staid S Barr:
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I may be willing to pay for digital media, but apparently no one is willing to sell.


Fully agree here.
The video industry is repeating the faults of the music industry.
Ignoring a new market and afterwards complaining that this new market is completely in the hands of pirates.
Second step would be to criminalize the paying customers.

One could laugh if it wasn't so sad.
It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?


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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorStaid S Barr
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Agree. I don't want illegal copies, or even use proxies to circumvent DRM limitations, and the end result is that I stick to physical media. And that is not even touching on the problem of DRM rights running out when you switch computers for example.

But whereas the internet should determine otherwise for online media, it is actually easier and safer to move and access physical media. In which case the internet is a great help to locate and buy the stuff.
Hans
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One idea would be some sort of hash (MD5? Don't know much about hashes) as identifier.

But knowing the inustry I bet that wouldn't work.

If you download a file from a Torrent network (e.g. a Linux distribution) every downloader will get an identical file (the whole system is based on hash-verification).

I bet if you download a movie from one of the official sites like iTunes you'd get a file with a watermark which would lead to two different hashes for two different users.

The other problem would be that the hash has to be long enough to ensure that not too many different movies end up with the same hash code.
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Quoting Jainser:
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what do people think about the option to add movies that have been brought online – for example from iTunes?

No interest in a cheap copy. Ask again as soon as quality and value are on a par.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile Registrantmediadogg
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Registered: March 18, 2007
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Good grief, why does this discussion always lead to the same tired presumed notions of "illegal" and "poor quality" as qualifiers for the usefulness of the requested feature?

Point is, that perfectly legal ways now exist for people to own media that are direct reflections of commercial DVDs in digital format. So, it is not unreasonable for DVD collectors to want / need to collect information about the soft digital as well as the hard digital (DVD/BD are also digital, you know) versions of the movie that he owns. Furthernore, the quality of streaming formats is increasing rapidly.

Here are a couple of personal examples - all of which are compatible with and respectful of DRM:

- For Netflix, what I own is streaming access, not the media. So, with the help of LoadDVD, I have a custom collection called "Netflix" that catalogs the movies that I choose only to own the access to, instead of the physical DVD. I can view it any time by clicking the LoadDVD icon. I even have some code that recognizes a TV series title. Netflix has its own menu for selecting the episode built into the player.

- For digital copies, many of these are already tracked as a separate "disc" in the profile. If I want to play these files, all I need to do is use LoadDVD file play feature. All the other info is already encoded in the profile. Digital copies are sort of a non-issue now.

- For Amazon Unbox Video, there is a proprietary client, which is a PITA, which I don't bother to try and connect to DVD Profiler. If I wanted to do it, I would define a new disc, and use LoadDVD to invoke the Amazon client, or use an HTML section to bring up the website - just a crude linkage that is hardly useful enough to implement.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantDr. Killpatient
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Registered: May 19, 2007
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You can add any title you wish that exists in the online database by Adding based on a title name search instead of a UPC search. Find one that's to your liking and add it.
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