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| Registered: October 6, 2008 |  Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm doing a "soup-to-nuts" profile for a film not in the database. The only two sound credits are Production Sound Mixer and Post-Production Sound. Should the latter be profiled as Sound Editor or Sound Re-Recording Mixer? |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Not listed as one the jobs record is it. No it is not. PSM yes, PPS no | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
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| Registered: April 3, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,998 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would say that "Post-Production Sound" would be local only credit Note: However if you could show that the person(s) credited under this are always credited as "Sound Re-Recording Mixer" or "Sound Editor" i would personally be inclined to accept the profile contribution, after all a bit of logic and common sense should be allowed even if the credit is not in the list of acceptable roles  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Of course, just ignore the Rules, they don't mean anything. They are not listed Nick
The first part of your comment was the correct one. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
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| Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'd just list them as Sound. I know there was some new rule about don't add supervisors or recordists IF there is a PSM credit, but these aren't either of those credits!
In reality, they are more than likely re-recording mixers, but that's functional equivilant rearing it's ugly head again.
Shot, just re-read the rules and it says no Sound credit at all if PSM present, not limited to recordists or supervisors anymore. So they probably should be local only, although I agree with ninehours about if every other credit is re-recording, then common sense says this is also. I know common sense isn't a huge factor here, but I'll keep fighting for it! |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | bigdaddy:
It's not about common sense being a factor. It's simply that it doesn't exist, your version of common sense might not be someone else's. I'll give a rather bizzare example but...I was taught as kid on a bicycle be careful of those big steel things they will kill you (that's common sense) today I see kids virtually playing in traffic with their bikes, you call that common sense, maybe to the potential organ donors but not to me. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Post Production Sound is a credit more likely to be given to a company, not an individual - are you sure the name given is of a person? Not so easy to tell if it's a foreign film. |
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| Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Post Production Sound is a credit more likely to be given to a company, not an individual - are you sure the name given is of a person? Not so easy to tell if it's a foreign film. Yes, it's a credit for Bruce Faulconer, who has a couple of credits on films in the database; one or two each for Sound Design and Sound Editing. It is a small, independent American film called The Widow's Might. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Thanks - I googled and found this: Quote:
(posted by Bruce Faulconer) It was an honor and pleasure to work with the producers and directors of “Widow’s Might” this past winter. CakeMix Recording recorded the music vocals and music mix, and then we did the Re-Recording Mixing, ADR, and Sound Design/effects for the film as well. Sounds like they credited him with Post Production Sound because he actually did a number of different jobs on the film. Because that means he doesn't fit neatly into one specific credit I'd leave him off the online profile, though it's interesting info for your local. |
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Posts: 823 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Sounds like they credited him with Post Production Sound because he actually did a number of different jobs on the film. Because that means he doesn't fit neatly into one specific credit I'd leave him off the online profile, though it's interesting info for your local. Again, the fact that "interesting info for your local" can't be shared by all users goes completely against the spirit of the program as it was when it was started over a decade ago. This really needs to be addressed. If Invelos continually refuses to step up to the plate, someone will at some point in the future. | | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
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| Registered: June 22, 2007 | | Posts: 89 |
| | Posted: | | | | The term Post Production Sound means every sound which comes after the production sound recorded on the film set. That means: Bruce Faulconer is Supervising Sound Editor, Sound Designer and Re-Recording Mixer on this movie. And should be allowed to be entered so. It looks a bit strange and vein to get three credits for a small film, so the production company obviously decided for one overall credit. But it would be a shame not to give him credit in the profiler against the best of knowledge. I would try to submit Faulconer at least as Supervising Sound Editor and Re-Recording Mixer with a declarative comment referring to the website hint Northblike discovered. | | | | Last edited: by schaumi |
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| Registered: October 6, 2008 | | Posts: 1,932 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Thanks - I googled and found this:
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(posted by Bruce Faulconer) It was an honor and pleasure to work with the producers and directors of “Widow’s Might” this past winter. CakeMix Recording recorded the music vocals and music mix, and then we did the Re-Recording Mixing, ADR, and Sound Design/effects for the film as well.
Sounds like they credited him with Post Production Sound because he actually did a number of different jobs on the film. Because that means he doesn't fit neatly into one specific credit I'd leave him off the online profile, though it's interesting info for your local. That's very helpful; thanks for finding that. I had assumed pretty much what the quote said and felt it important to have him appear in the profile, much as schaumi said. (And thank you, Grendell, for your comments as well.) If I do include him, I will clearly note what the credit is for posterity. Quoting schaumi: Quote:
... That means: Bruce Faulconer is Supervising Sound Editor, Sound Designer and Re-Recording Mixer on this movie. ... Which of these has the most authority? |
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| Registered: June 22, 2007 | | Posts: 89 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting CalebAndCo: Quote:
Which of these has the most authority? I would say the Supervising Sound Editor. But he and Sound Designer belong to the Sound Editors department while the Re-Recording Mixer is in his own sub department. So I would, at least, submit him as Supervising Sound Editor and Re-Recording Mixer. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've never come across an "umbrella" credit like this before, and wasn't sure how to deal with it which is why I suggested not submitting it, even though it's a shame as he did do work that we credit. But if you guys think it's ok to enter multiple credits like that I see no harm - and it's nice to get the data in the online.  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | No I don't think it's "ok" to create separate credits when there is only one. Unless we are now reduced to Fictional Credits Profiler. I would wait until we have custom crew roles before I submitted something like this. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting KinoNiki: Quote:
No I don't think it's "ok" to create separate credits when there is only one. Unless we are now reduced to Fictional Credits Profiler. I would wait until we have custom crew roles before I submitted something like this. I have to agree with this. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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