Hello.

I have an end credits question.

If an actor’s name appears in the end credits without a role, but is then listed in them again with a role, which one should be contributed, (or both)?  This is with respect to deciding the order the cast appear in the contribution.  If the first is taken, is it okay to then take the role from the second credit? 

It seems fairly common practice for the main few actors in a film to be listed in this way and then for the whole cast, including these people, to be listed again a bit later on in some sort of order.

I can't imagine this hasn't been discussed before, bit I couldn't find a thread relating to it.

Thanks.  Paul

Always take all your Cast information from the full Cast listing shown during the closing credits.
Only take Cast credits from elsewhere when they don't appear in that listing at all.

Em thanks, I can also walk and talk at the same time too; and remember to keep on breathing as well.  I’m truly a multi-talented, multi-tasking genius I know. 

Okay, to clarify my question, the Rules say (for Cast):

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For the purposes of this section we define "standard" film credits as those where all credited actors involved are listed at the end of the film - defined here as the "end credits". The section details both the actor’s Name and the Role that they played in the film. The credits may be listed "in order of appearance", "alphabetical order" or in an order of importance decided by the filmmakers. Some actors may be credited a second time in either credits at either the opening or close of the film.

For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.

From what I gather from the suggestions above, “standard credits” only start where the main block of names is given in the end credits and thus exclude any names that are listed beforehand in the end credits (provided they’re also listed in the main block).  If so that’s fine, but I asked the question as the wording is a little ambiguous in terms of this and I don't want to waste mine or other's time getting it wrong.

The film is “12 and Holding”.  I didn’t give the specifics originally as it was more of a general question that this film just happens to provide a nice example of and made me think of this issue for the first time.

In the end credits, after some crew and production credits, there is then a series of actors’ names (basically the stars of the film) on the screen one at a time with no associated roles, of which this is an example:



There are then some more crew credits.

Then the main block of cast credits appear, thus:



Finally followed by more crew credits.

In this example, Annabella Sciorra is the second actor to be named in the end credits (the first picture), but the fifth in the main block (second picture).  So I was asking would I list her when contributing, as the second or fifth name in the cast list?

I don't think it's a different case as such; the confusion is the bit in the Rules which says:

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For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.

The word credits is used in the second line as part of an instruction here, but doesn't indicate if this is shorthand for standard credits or end credits.  Depending on which way you read it, the result could be different.  I couldn't care less which interpretation I use, I just want to go with the one most people use; I'm pretty sure I've seen it done both ways.

Quoting SpikyCactus:

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In this example, Annabella Sciorra is the second actor to be named in the end credits (the first picture), but the fifth in the main block (second picture).  So I was asking would I list her when contributing, as the second or fifth name in the cast list?

As the fifth name - from the "main block of cast credits".

Hello people

Thanks for the guidence.  That all makes sense now. 

Paul (the slow-minded, dim-witted one)

Quoting Spab:

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A lot of recent films do not have Opening Credits so these "Opening Credits" are displayed at the end of the film followed by the standard end credits but in profiler they should still be treated as opening credits.

This is exactly what I do also.

Quoting bigdaddyhorse:

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Only double credit if they appear twice in the credit list with different roles. It happens more than you might think.

Absolutely.