I'm requesting Invelos give a second look at a rule they got reguarding box sets' production years.

I recently tried to submit a DVD and someone pointed out that my changing the production year was the reason he voted "no"

Okay so I go and reread the submission rules and notice he was correct in his vote, that the box set rules concerning production year is to go by the earliest year.

I got a problem with that rule mainly because of the following:

DVD in question:  "Sasquatch Horror Triple Feature"  (Is this really a box set?  or more of a "themed movie episode about the same type of thing (in this case sasquatch)

Within this DVD are three movies with their production years that those movies were actually made.

The headlinging film is  "Sasquatch the Legend of Bigfoot"  produced in 1977 and released at the movie theatres.  (I know because I saw it in 1977 at a drive in)
The second film listed (also 1977 production year)  is  Snow Beast, which was released on television and not at the theatres.
  The third film is an oldie made in 1954 which I believe was thrown in as an afterthought or for nostalgic reference.  "The Snow Creature"  in Black and white.

These three films have no affiliation with each other as far as any crew, cast, or writers.

Now, my problem is putting the "earliest" production year (which is 1954 in this case) as the production year of this product.

When in fact the three films were packaged together for the only time in 2005 as a DVD.

DVD's did not exist in 1977 or in 1954.

The "ENTITY" known as "Sasquatch Horror Triple Feature"  did NOT exist in 1954.  It was born in 2005. Therefore, the production year of that entity known as the above title is 2005.

I can understand some box sets such as the Alien quadrilogy going by the initial release year since that was a connected series.. or other films like James Bond 007...  but these three have no other connection to each other.  They are not sequels to each other, they are not remakes, nor are they even made by the same companies.

I always felt the "Production Year"  of a DVD release should reflect the actual year that DVD set was made.  It doesn't feel right putting 1954 for a release that was truly produced in 2005.

What I'll probably do for this contribution is go back and try and seperate all three into a box set anyhow... soon as I figure out how.

But I do believe this "contribution rule" needs to be looked at again because I don't believe its accurate to simply assign the production year to just the earliest film in the set.

I think the film's production year should be different than the DVD's production year.  Perhaps adding that as an option is more viable?  Least then it would be correct all around.

We already track the DVD release in a separate field so I don't see any need to duplicate this information. If anything, the production year for a box set should be left blank. But you can always do as you please locally, changing this rule now has very little benefit.

Ah, okay.. so leaving it blank would solve the problem then.  Thanks!

:D

I actually forgot all about the DVD release date.

Now if I can only find a way to seperarte those three movies and create it as a box set without having to do them all over again...

RE-EDIT:  Until  I went and tried to do THAT and discovered that I cannot.  So NOW I am back to my old argument listed above.

Quoting Winston Smith:

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You don't have to leave it blank, Multiview. The Rule is there for Contributions, you are free to enter whatever data you want into any given field. You simply must remember that if you deviate from the Rules it is not contributable. That's all.

Well I want to be able to contribute some things but find myself running into little walls here and there.

I went and tried to leave it blank and lo and behold it would not submit so I went and changed it back to the original date (which I strongly disagree with)  and hence this thread's reason to exist.

I still want the rule changed because  feel it doesn't properly affect this particular (and a couple other box sets I have) true "production year"
and since most films are catagorized by year in some stat reports or such... this becomes relevant.

Ordering this DVD in a yearly order it should really... moreover affectively be placed in 1977 more since two of the films within it were 1977... 

I can understand that possibly the initial reasoning for the rule would be to do with going by chronological order ...  maybe a new definition could be added because somehow I dont feel this fits into a "box set" by definition like other box sets.

I'd consider Alien Quadrilogy a box set...  Lord of the Rings..    Xmen series...

But to be fair.. I wouldnt include this as a box set even though it has 3 films...  nor would I expect  "The Ultimate Heroes Collection"  which has 4 films in it.. (Xmen, Daredevil, Fantastic 4, and Elektra)   
Compliations should have a different standard about them as opposed to a "box set" because the number of variables such as production years, producers, crew, cast, could all be different... yet the theme the same.

Consider also the fact that one of these films in the one Im discussing primarily, was released only on television...  so how does that work when at the general information screen?  you only have two choices there...  TV or film.   

If the contents contain both "made for tv movies"  and a film... 

So maybe a new catagory could be born from all this and with a slightly differing list of options.

I got another "Set"  called  "Evil Animals"  which has 3 films from the 70's and 80's in it... but at least all of those had uniquely different UPC numbers...

This particular one doesn't have that option.

Yes... this is not the place for discussing rule changes or feature requests. But for the record... I for one would be against the change to use the release date.

Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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Yes... this is not the place for discussing rule changes or feature requests. But for the record... I for one would be against the change to use the release date.

For the record so would I. I can only see it complicating matters. Now let's see what should I do in this case? Oh I know I'll take it to the Forums

Quoting Multiview:

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I got another "Set"  called  "Evil Animals"  which has 3 films from the 70's and 80's in it... but at least all of those had uniquely different UPC numbers...

This particular one doesn't have that option.

For those sets that don't have individual UPC numbers, you should make the child profiles by Disc ID, or if you like (for LOCAL only) as manual profiles.

So, for example, I have a set "4 Film Favorites: Classic Horse Films" that contains the films Black Beauty (1994), The Story of Seabiscuit (1949), National Velvet (1944)) & International Velvet (1978).  It's 2 flipper discs, so one movie on each disc side for 4 total.  I created each child profile using the disc IDs for each disc side, so the set has 4 child profiles and each film has its own information correctly applied to it. 

If your set is like this - where each movie has its own disc, or its own side of a disc, you can create your child profiles this way to be able to have them entered correctly.

It gets more complicated when you have multiple movies on the same side of a disc, like several cheap sets I have - for example I have a set "King of the Cowboys: The Ultimate Roy Rogers Collection" which is 5 discs, each with 5 films on a single sided disc.  What I did was create child profiles with the disc IDs, which I contributed using the rules for multiple movies on a single-sided disc.  But then I made grandchild profiles for each film, using manual profiles.  So this way I have each film individually tracked in my local collection.  Admittedly, this solution is local only but might help you track your individual films. 

Don't know if you knew any of that already, but thought I'd toss this out there. 

Quoting m.cellophane:

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There was a time when we had to have a production year in a profile to contribute it. I believe the current rule is a holdover from that era. Now that we can contribute blank years, that's what I go with in my local.

We can contribute blank years?  Last time I accidentally left that out the system wouldn't take it.  And that was only a few weeks ago...