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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | We are seeing more and more profiles contributed with group dividers. Though some users who download profiles may be interested by this type of feature, others have to delete them. We have also this with all cosmetic features, that add nothing to the database, but are just a way to display hard data.
Sharing hard data which are the same for everybody, is interesting. Sharing personal preferences is a waste of time for the community since we'll have as many people removing those features than people keeping them.
So I vote for all cosmetic features (including bold and italics, dividers...) not be contributable and remain local. | | | Images from movies |
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Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm sorry Yves but I disagree on you on this topic.
Of course I have no way of knowing how many people remove or keep various features, or which ones, in their local databases. I can only speak on how I see things.
The dividers are something that, personally, I like a lot. Visually they organize the data in a way that I think of things. I always consolidate things whenever possible. I find it neater, more organized and pleasing to my eye.
As far as the bold, italics etc. I want them to remain the way they are. If they match the actual data then that seems to me to be the way they should be.
To change it at this point would also result in thousands of hours of manpower wasted. It would also result in thousands more hours of labor to change all that data again. It seems to me that this time might be better spent on fixing other things.
The number of DVDs a person owns is minuscule compared the the number of DVDs out there. Therefore, I think it would be much easier for an individual to change and adjust their local profile to match their needs than for the entire database to changed yet again. | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote: I'm sorry Yves but I disagree on you on this topic. Don't be sorry . When opening this pole, I thought that other users would have a different opinion, even if I hoped more people would agree with what I wrote. You like dividers, and it is perfect. As I love headshots or images of movies. But I do not want to impose my headshots and images of movies to other users, as they are typically personal preferences. And I do not appreciate very much to have to remove all the undesired stuff from downloaded profiles because the system imposes some (very ugly IMO) cosmetic features. | | | Images from movies |
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Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Bold and Italic in Overview: I also don't want to have more than we have now, but those things we have I think are Ok. Often some words are bolded or italized by a special reason and I don't want to lose this.
Dividers: I like the possibility to have my credits as they're in the credits. With one look I can see a group. And I can reflect the credits without transforming to new role names.
But I could understand if some have a different personnel preference. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I definitely love all that was mentioned. And definitely agree with what Kathy said here.
Edit: Edited to say in my eyes there is a big difference between Bold/Italic in overview andr dividers in the credits compared to gallery images and head shots. The contributable stuff is coming from the case or the credits... so it isn't like someone else may not want the same head shot as someone else. Or the same images in their gallery. As it is coming from info from the actual disc or case.
Also... if you go into options... you can turn off the bold and italics in the overview... so that is something you don't have to worry about. As if you check the box you will never see them. | | | Pete | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,750 |
| Posted: | | | | I think all the cosmetic features, headshots, dividers, bold, italic, ®, ©, etc., etc. are great. They make the program look very sophisticated and sexy. Yves, my suggestion to you is...export the data to ASCII text then reimport. That should leave you with just monotone text. Heck, I have an even better idea, throw out all you DVD, BRD covers and print just the movie title in black on plain white paper. That should eliminate all that unnecessary color, information and images that clutter them. Before the flames start, I am just kidding...I just got carried away with myself. But, I thought some of you might find the humor in it. | | | Marty - Registered July 10, 2004, User since 2002. |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: ... so it isn't like someone else may not want the same head shot as someone else. Or the same images in their gallery. As it is coming from info from the actual disc or case. As long as I know, my images are screenshots that come from the actual disc, exactly as other cosmetic features. The rule that imposes dividers is exactly the same than a rule which would impose screenshots at 00h10'00, 00h20'00 and 00h30'00 : you like them or not. Edit: In fact I agree there is a difference. Screenshots come from the movie, which is a generally useless feature provided by the DVD maker after front and before end credits. Dividers come from those credits, the only important thing, reason for which we buy DVDs... (@ mreeder50: this is my humour...) | | | Images from movies | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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Registered: May 8, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,945 |
| Posted: | | | | I also like the features mentioned, but we shouldnt add more and more cosmetic features, but for now I am fine with them Donnie | | | www.tvmaze.com |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Gallery images can come from the actual disc. But the way it is set up they don't have to. What about movie posters? People put those in gallery windows. Dome may put behind the scene photos... some may put promotional pictures. Not to mention what about the subject of the images? they may or may not be of scenes that are spoilers for the movie/show. So downloading them with the profile can actually spoil someone's watching experience because they saw what was in the gallery. I do realize you are not trying to get it so gallery images is contributable... but I am mentioning this to show there is a difference here. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: Gallery images can come from the actual disc. But the way it is set up they don't have to. This is just a matter of rule. If we had a rule that said," "put in image gallery the screenshot at 00h30'00", then it would be that screenshot and nothing else. We have a rule that say "Overview with bold and italics as on back cover ". But overview can be what you want in your local. Specially you can delete the spoilers that are frequent on covers... Once again, we have some cosmetic features that are contributable and submitted to rules, and others that are not contributable, and not submitted to rules. I prefer the second choice... If you prefer movie poster for your gallery, would you be happy with a rule imposing screenshot, that you have to delete at each download ? That is what I have to bear with dividers... | | | Images from movies | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | And what makes you think you could get such a "simple" rule written and approved?
1. A gallery with only 1 image online? 2. What with the possibilities of that particular image causing a spoiler? 3. why 00h30'00 instead of any other time
You should know by now even if Ken decided to put galleries part of the contribution... it wouldn't be that simple of a rule to write and get passed. I for one would argue only vidcaps from the trailer for less likely chances of spoiler images. At least images that the studio feel are ok to show us before we see the movie. I also wouldn't limit it to only one image. But that is neither here nor there since it is a local only feature.
See what I am saying is there can be a lot of considerations on such things if they were contributable. Where the bold/italic overviews and dividers are not. | | | Pete |
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Registered: May 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,475 |
| Posted: | | | | The cosmetic features you addressed are already an accepted part of the database. One in which you would prefer to remove.
Why then should another cosmetic feature such as screenshots, which are not part of the database, be added?
In the first case, the data is easily found and is the same for everyone. If the overview is in bold or italics then it is in bold or italics in the database. If there are dividers in the credits then there are dividers in the database.
These features are already approved and accepted into the database. Your request will require countless hours of additional work to undo all that work.
I understand that you have put a lot of work into your local database regarding head shots and screenshots. But, these cosmetic features are not approved as of yet. Therefore most of the community have not spent countless hours on contributing that data.
Screenshots, posters etc. could never be standardized because of the sheer number of choices that are available for each film. Who would decide which one should be entered?
I shudder to think of the arguments that would ensue if Ken ever decides to add this data to the database. | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Kathy... He isn't actually asking for galleries to be added. We are just using it as an example. And he is trying to convince me that the galleries is the same thing as bold/italic and dividers.. even though I see a huge difference as you outlined. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
Why then should another cosmetic feature such as screenshots, which are not part of the database, be added? Where have you seen that I wish that ? That is just the contrary. Please read carefully what I wrote. I was just answering a remark, then I wrote : "Once again, we have some cosmetic features that are contributable and submitted to rules, and others that are not contributable, and not submitted to rules. I prefer the second choice..." | | | Images from movies | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I personally prefer as it is now. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | The cosmetic features mentioned were added because a large majority of forum users wanted them. As the poll indicates, it seems they still do. Speaking for myself, I like them. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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