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| Registered: June 8, 2007 |  Posts: 151 |
| | Posted: | | | | Should the Contributor who is just Copying and Pasteing the info from one profile to another also add in their notes about the BY's, Common names and Uncredited Cast info they are adding as well.
If they are copying the Data, why not copy the Notes over as well.
Not just put from this (xxxxxxxxxxxx) profile. |
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| Registered: February 23, 2009 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,580 |
| | Posted: | | | | On rare occasions I have been guilty as charged for doing such practices and come to think of it, you are right that more complete notes would be better rather than simply pointing to another profile.
However, the occasions on which I've done this was practically all DVD child profiles of a Blu-ray/DVD combo, where I copy the cast/crew of the Blu-ray to the DVD. Perhaps in those cases I think a simple reference to the main (parent) profile suffices, or do you disagree? | | | Blu-ray collection
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  | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | If the contributor has audited the profile himself from which he has copied it I would say it's fine. I would like to see the link(s) for common name(s) established on the forums in the notes though. | | | | Cor | | | | Last edited: by Corne |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Corne: Quote:
If the contributor has audited the profile himself from which he has copied it I would say it's fine. ... ^This. But at a copy from someone different, I'd like to see these things included, because it would show he/she also had a look if the informations are correct. (More than once I've seen a contribution with wrong copied information) |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
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If the contributor has audited the profile himself from which he has copied it I would say it's fine. ...
^This.
But at a copy from someone different, I'd like to see these things included, because it would show he/she also had a look if the informations are correct. (More than once I've seen a contribution with wrong copied information)  I have said for a very long time that when cloning a profile any given user SHOULD compare the data against the actual in his possession and so state that he did so in his notes. Anyone who believes that credits are always exactly the same for the same title is sadly mistaken.If you don't believe simply go to DVDBeaver and check the recent review and screen caps for the BD release of Apocalypse Now, this includes comparison screen caps. Now,in this particular instance the data seems to be the same for what is shown...but one can readily see that the various releases use different credit formatting, and who knows what one would find in a revbiew of the Actual data edition to edition. So, PLEASE, if you are going to clone do us all the favor of comparing the cloned data to Actual data and state it in your notes. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have a slightly different view on this matter.
I often Copy and Paste data from one DVD to another. I check the contribution notes and if this data is taken from the credits or other legitimate sources, that is acceptable to me.
I try to always remember to document exactly which DVD I took this information and what those documentation notes say.
Now, there might be the rare instances in which there is a discrepancy. I don't have a problem with that and neither does Ken or Gerri. Why? For several reasons.
The first reason is that when I contribute to the database I am likely to be contributing a complete profile. Cast and Crew are only a small part of what I am checking and updating.
Ken has stated that a small mistake contained within a larger contribution is an acceptable trade off. But, I haven't found that cloning Cast and Crew contains that many mistakes.
Cast and Crew are, in the majority of cases, the same. The people that worked on the film does not change. So, I am confident that the data is correct in most cases.
There might be the rare instance that the Cast and Crew differ from one DVD to the next but they are few and can be dealt with on an individual basis.
I often am updating hundreds of obvious mistakes that are rampant in the database. These are time consuming enough as it is without having to spend more time double checking the work of others. I might as well do everything myself and that is not what this database is about.
The database is built on the contributions of the community. Eventually every DVD will be checked and any errors or omissions will be taken care of. |
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| Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Quoting VirusPil:
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Quoting Corne:
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If the contributor has audited the profile himself from which he has copied it I would say it's fine. ...
^This.
But at a copy from someone different, I'd like to see these things included, because it would show he/she also had a look if the informations are correct. (More than once I've seen a contribution with wrong copied information)
I have said for a very long time that when cloning a profile any given user SHOULD compare the data against the actual in his possession and so state that he did so in his notes. Anyone who believes that credits are always exactly the same for the same title is sadly mistaken.If you don't believe simply go to DVDBeaver and check the recent review and screen caps for the BD release of Apocalypse Now, this includes comparison screen caps. Now,in this particular instance the data seems to be the same for what is shown...but one can readily see that the various releases use different credit formatting, and who knows what one would find in a revbiew of the Actual data edition to edition.
So, PLEASE, if you are going to clone do us all the favor of comparing the cloned data to Actual data and state it in your notes. Well I agree with you for a great part. In case of copy/paste into a clear-cut IMDb-minded profile or additions of group dividers/common names/BYs I don't mind. Pan-European releases of Universal, Paramount etc. are all the same so that's an exception as well. | | | | Cor |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,733 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
I often Copy and Paste data from one DVD to another. I check the contribution notes and if this data is taken from the credits or other legitimate sources, that is acceptable to me. As it happens, that's perfectly acceptable to Invelos as well. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Kathy:
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I often Copy and Paste data from one DVD to another. I check the contribution notes and if this data is taken from the credits or other legitimate sources, that is acceptable to me.
As it happens, that's perfectly acceptable to Invelos as well. True, and if one is interested in reviewing the prior notes, here's a handy link: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=contributionnotes&type=DVD&ProfileUPC= Add the UPC to the right. It works for Disc IDs too. Using this link, you don't have to add the DVD to your collection in order to look at the notes. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan | | | | Last edited: by m.cellophane |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting Kathy:
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I often Copy and Paste data from one DVD to another. I check the contribution notes and if this data is taken from the credits or other legitimate sources, that is acceptable to me.
As it happens, that's perfectly acceptable to Invelos as well. Not to get me wrong I also think it's absolutely acceptable, but with a quick check of some credits, you can see if it is from imdb or from the credits. (Just because I write I have taken cast and crew from the credits, doesn't mean I've done this really. So a short check is always worth imho) Expecially on those things mentioned in the op, you sometimes find mistakes. - Common names can change or be corrected with the findings in a thread. - Just one wrong click, and you took John Doe 1945 and not John Doe 1954 ... Edit: I'd always like to give the EAN/UPC of the copy source, at best with a link to the matchng contribution notes. What I've also seen often, but don't really like are notes like: copied from the US DVD, from DVD profile, ... -> I think the source should be clearly called. | | | | Last edited: by VirusPil |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Please note I did not say it wasn'taccepyable. There are numerous things we do which are "acceptable", that does not mean they are good practices.I will reiterate what I said before, even though probably most of you could care less,which leads to an unpleasant conclusion, havbe some consideration for your fellow users, fon't take the low road just because you can. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote:
Please note I did not say it wasn'taccepyable. There are numerous things we do which are "acceptable", that does not mean they are good practices.I will reiterate what I said before, even though probably most of you could care less,which leads to an unpleasant conclusion, havbe some consideration for your fellow users, fon't take the low road just because you can. I find this quite insulting. I spend many hours of my precious time contributing to the database. I do so to applying the standards invelos has set for the community. I take care with the things I do including that which involves this database and the community it affects. I also have a lot of consideration for others and feel that my efforts almost always lead to pleasant outcomes. You might not like my practices but as far as I can tell most of the community including Ken and Gerri do. | | | | Last edited: by Kathy |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,733 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
with a quick check of some credits, you can see if it is from imdb or from the credits. For the record: rest assured that I do always check against the actual credits - I would never copy IMDb-mined data to another profile. Other than that, I'm with Kathy. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Kathy:
I find those who take the low road just because they can to highly insulting. So I guess we are even then.<shrugs> people who do not check cloned data is insulting...I could goon and on and on but i won't. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
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with a quick check of some credits, you can see if it is from imdb or from the credits.
For the record: rest assured that I do always check against the actual credits - I would never copy IMDb-mined data to another profile. Other than that, I'm with Kathy. I agree with you on IMDb data T!M. I only copy data from those that have written where they got their information from. Of course trust is part of the equation - I trust the words of my fellow community members and have seldom been disappointed. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Following Invelos' rules and representative statements is the definition of "good practices" and not "the low road". | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
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