As I remember it a bunch of us got together wanting to use the front cover because that is the first thing we see when we get the DVD.  What you mentioned was only part of it... not the entire reason.

I personally am still behind that wish and still prefer it even with any downfalls that it contains. I will always prefer front cover over getting the info from anywhere else.

When I go to my shelf to pick out a DVD I look for the name on the cover. So, this is the way I want it to show up in my database.

I don't mind the additional information but I consider that data as being like trivia.

The "Is it a dot? Is it a dash? Is it graphical suger?" debate is amazing to me and I won't waste time getting into it.

Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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As I remember it a bunch of us got together wanting to use the front cover because that is the first thing we see when we get the DVD.

Does that mean that if the title in Profiler is "I Spy" you can't find it on the shelf if the cover says "I-Spy"? 

Quoting hal9g:

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I still say the solution is to add a third title field and allow people to select which title to display (per profile).

DVD Cover Title
On-Screen Title
Original Title

Personally, I'd display "On Screen Title" for all of my profiles.

I'm afraid that even then there'll still be a discussion about figures being a square, a dot, a hyphen or whatever...

Quoting Kathy:

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When I go to my shelf to pick out a DVD I look for the name on the cover. So, this is the way I want it to show up in my database.

I don't mind the additional information but I consider that data as being like trivia.

The "Is it a dot? Is it a dash? Is it graphical suger?" debate is amazing to me and I won't waste time getting into it.

Exactly. That's why I just gave my opinion at the beginning of that topic and explaining why I came to my conclusion. I refuse to go on making the same point over and over again. If there ain't new arguments (both 'sides') what's the point of dragging the topic into 10+ pages and ending up insulting each other? Just my two cents.

Quoting hal9g:

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I still say the solution is to add a third title field and allow people to select which title to display (per profile).

DVD Cover Title
On-Screen Title
Original Title

Personally, I'd display "On Screen Title" for all of my profiles.  I'm only interested in the "real" name of the movie, not some marketing gimmick name that the DVD distributor came up with.

I do more or less agree. But the "real" name of the film is the original title though.
And the original title would come from the world premiere and not from the locality's premiere as some people like to suggest.

And as Corne commented, there would still be discussions about graphics vs. dot vs. hyphen. So the credit block would still be useful for clarification.

And I still see no reason for punctuation differences only as in 'I Spy' vs. 'I-Spy'. No extra field needed for that.

Quoting hal9g:

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I still say the solution is to add a third title field and allow people to select which title to display (per profile).

DVD Cover Title
On-Screen Title
Original Title

Personally, I'd display "On Screen Title" for all of my profiles.  I'm only interested in the "real" name of the movie, not some marketing gimmick name that the DVD distributor came up with.

Here, here! (or is it hear, hear!)

Quoting Kathy:

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The "Is it a dot? Is it a dash? Is it graphical suger?" debate is amazing to me and I won't waste time getting into it.

It's amazingly retarded to me. Some of the threads I see here are astounding.

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People seem to forget that it's a DVD profiler, not only a film profiler.

I think people forget that this is a database. When people see hyphens that aren't part of the title, it causes database problems (eg. F-R-I-E-N-D-S). If the title is stored in the database as "I-Spy", and someone is looking for this by title, if they type "I" + [space], then "I-Spy" has just been eliminated from their results, even if the substring filter is used. It's the same with "Friends". Type "F" + "R" and you eliminate "F-R-I-E-N-D-S". What good purpose is served by either?

This is the similar to trouble we've had in the past with people seeing quotes around titles and putting those in the database. I have no trouble finding my DVDs on the shelf, regardless of what title is accepted into the Invelos database. I do have trouble searching the Invelos database by title when people put commas and hyphens in where there are none, or if they don't put them in where they belong (eg. "Murder, She Wrote").

Similarly, I was using the name variant tool this weekend and came across an actor with a single name. This name was input in the first name field. Good. But the last name field had the character "*" in it. I presume the contributor added "*" to indicate that there was no last name. Good going on that because it unlinked that name from my other profiles for that actor. 

Any time that a long route is taken through a rule (eg. "Even though a square is a special character, I see the square as a hyphen and a hyphen is a standard character, so I don't have to apply the special character rule and consider any other information that might affect what I see.") this leads to problems. That's the long way around the rule. The straight way through the rule is to flip the DVD over and look at the credit block. Take a step back and think about the consequences to everyone else due to your choice. There's no gold star to win for rule obedience if it leads you to an extreme result.

The rules establish a standard but they are not in my opinion trying to push data to the extremes that we get into sometimes. Think about the decisions Invelos makes. Consult the collected statements of Invelos thread. You'll see that Invelos' decisions are cautious and middle-of-the-road. There are no extremes there.

"Use the title from the front cover" still allows us to consult other areas (spine, credit block, overview) to help us figure out what we're seeing (eg. Is it "Quantum of Solace", "Quantum of Solace 007" or Quantum 0f S0lace 7"?; Is it "The Treasure of the Sierra Madre" or "The Treasureof Thesierra Madre?).

"Use the title from the front cover" does not mean that we cannot consider other information to help determine what we are seeing. Flip the DVD over and check how the title is written in text form. That's the direct route through the rule. The extreme route is to try to prove why you shouldn't take in any additional information to help determine the title or to disabuse what your eyes see.

It seems in many of these discussions that people are more interested proving what steadfast rule-followers they are (or pointing fingers at rule-breakers) rather than being interested in the usefulness of the actual data. The rules should serve the database rather than the database serving the rules.