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| Registered: July 16, 2010 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 526 |
| | Posted: | | | | One of the tick boxes in Features is for films that are Closed Captioned. This is often called English for the Hard of Hearing on UK DVDs. (I’m making the assumption here that the two mean the same, but if anyone has a different view that would be interesting to read.)
I recently Contributed a DVD that on the cover art says “Subtitles: English/English HOH”, which I took to mean there were both Subtitles in England and Closed Captioned Subtitles in English. (There are no Closed Caption logos on the DVD’s cover art.) Within the disc menus the only options are English Subtitles On or Off. Using the DVD player’s controls also indicates that there’s only one choice, English Subtitles On or Off. With the Subtitles on they actually appear to be Closed Captioned, (as there’re descriptive elements to what appears on screen).
So my confusion is, do I tick the DVD as having just Closed Captions, or just English Subtitles, or both? My guess is that I tick for Closed Captions.
But then should all DVDs always have the relevant Subtitles language ticked too that corresponds to the Closed Captions one, even if they’re exactly the same text on screen (which they aren’t always)? Or does just the Closed Captions box get ticked (as in my example here as there aren't separate Subtitles) and not a Subtitles one?
(I guess it gets even more confusing if you have Closed Captioned information and Subtitles in more than one language, but in this case everything is just in English).
Thanks. | | | | Do you ever find yourself striving for perfection with an almost worthless attempt at it? Guttermouth "Lemon Water". Also, I include in my Profiler database VHS tapes, audio DVDs, audio books (digital, cassette and CD), video games (digital, DVD and CD) and 'enhanced' CDs with video tracks on them, as well as films and TV I've bought digitally. So I'm an anarchist, deal with it. Just be thankful I don't include most of my records and CDs etc in it too; don't think I haven't been tempted... |
| | Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Closed Captions and our English HoH subtitles aren't the same (at least not in DVD Profiler world). For the purposes here, I believe it's only US (& Canada?) DVDs that have Closed Captions. It purely relates to the system that is built into US TVs to display subtitle like captioning.
Edit: So to answer your question, you only tick the English subtitles. | | | | Last edited: by Ardos |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Formerly is correct, CC is a North America only feature that is decoded by the TV. You should not tick that box for any other region. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
|   | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Formerly known as...: Quote:
Closed Captions and our English HoH subtitles aren't the same (at least not in DVD Profiler world). For the purposes here, I believe it's only US (& Canada?) DVDs that have Closed Captions. It purely relates to the system that is built into US TVs to display subtitle like captioning.
Edit: So to answer your question, you only tick the English subtitles. Closed cations (CC) aren't on the DVD as actual subtitle tracks but are an American texting system that can be shown only with TV sets supporting it. Some dvd player software also support it, like PowerDVD. In the region 2 area subtitles for the deaf and hard of hearing are encoded as subtitle tracks. In the region 1 area it could be as CC, as subtitle track or both. | | | | Cor |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Formerly is correct, CC is a North America only feature that is decoded by the TV. You should not tick that box for any other region. Agree. CC is a special encoding that is transmitted and decoded via the TV on North American Sets. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 922 |
| | Posted: | | | | IIRC, Closed Captions are only possible on NTSC encoded DVDs and Ken wrote something about filtering all checked CC-boxes for non-RC1 profiles. | | | 
Deutsches DVD Profiler Forum: www.dvdprofiler-forum.de |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | Closed Captions do not exist on UK releases. English Hard of Hearing is a subtitle, which until now can unfortunately only be entered in DVDP as (plain) English. |
| | Registered: July 16, 2010 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 526 |
| | Posted: | | | | Hello.
Thanks for all your replies. I hadn't really appreciated that closed captions are a kind of hardware system built into certin DVDs, DVD players, TV broadcasts and TVs, rather than simply a name for modified subtitles. All interesting stuff. I will edit my contribution acordingly!
I've had a look through a couple of shelves of my DVD this morning and indeed could only find one example of a UK release of anything claiming to have Closed Captions, which was Cats on Dogs on VHS. I'm not sure if it's different for tapes or this was just a mistake. | | | | Do you ever find yourself striving for perfection with an almost worthless attempt at it? Guttermouth "Lemon Water". Also, I include in my Profiler database VHS tapes, audio DVDs, audio books (digital, cassette and CD), video games (digital, DVD and CD) and 'enhanced' CDs with video tracks on them, as well as films and TV I've bought digitally. So I'm an anarchist, deal with it. Just be thankful I don't include most of my records and CDs etc in it too; don't think I haven't been tempted... |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting SpikyCactus: Quote:
I've had a look through a couple of shelves of my DVD this morning and indeed could only find one example of a UK release of anything claiming to have Closed Captions, which was Cats on Dogs on VHS. I'm not sure if it's different for tapes or this was just a mistake. That's probably not too unusual. Even Universal Studios often displayed "Captions" on many of their Region 1 DVD releases, and even displayed an actual "CC" logo that flashed on the screen after the movie(s) finished for some reason. But they never actually used Closed Captioning on any DVD release, only standard subtitles. It can easily become confusing between Closed Captioning and Subtitles, especially when studios confound the matter. | | | | Corey |
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