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| Registered: March 16, 2007 |  Posts: 278 |
| | Posted: | | | | I recently noticed that there were no child profiles for Seasons 3 and 5 of Six Feet Under (UPCs 026359897825 and 026359314421 respectively), to find that the Disc IDs for each of these had been associated with the Complete Series box set.
I've submitted corrections to these DiscIDs to align them with their original release, but have received "no" votes stating the following:
"This is part of the complete set and thus the first disc is needed to create the first season. So the changes are incorrect"
Which raises two questions. Since when is re-release data allowed to supersede original release data, and since when is it appropriate to include entire season data for just disc 1 of a five disc set? Even as a child profile in the complete series box set, shouldn't the disc profile only contain information relevant to that disc? |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,741 |
| | Posted: | | | | This has been an issue for a while. The problem is that the Disc ID can only be used for either the Disc 1 profile or the season profile if the season has no UPC/EAN.
I don't remember any ruling on this issue except for both kinds of profile being allowed and thus the First Come First Serve rule applies, like when two different movies share the same UPC. | | | Karsten
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Karsten is right... at least until Ken comes up with something it is all we have to go by. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | In this case, since the individual discs came before the complete set, that is what should be represented in the main database. Per the rules, we are not allowed to replace original release data with re-release data. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would have to think about what the greater good is for the database in these situations.
On the one hand, the original series release is older, but in that case the disc id profile is optional. All the essential information should also be available on the main profile.
However in the case of the complete series boxset, the disc id profile is needed to represent the series as a whole. And already contains most info the disc-level profile would want, and more.
I think it's easier to take a series-level profile and remove data to make it disc-level rather than take a disc-level profile and add the data to make it series-level.
So I would leave it as is, I think it's doing more good as a full series profile than it would be as a disc-level profile. |
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| Registered: March 16, 2007 | | Posts: 278 |
| | Posted: | | | | Excerpting northbloke: Quote:
However in the case of the complete series boxset, the disc id profile is needed to represent the series as a whole...
So I would leave it as is, I think it's doing more good as a full series profile than it would be as a disc-level profile. Why wouldn't this information be at the parent-level profile, though? It seems like the first disc is being used as an artificial divider to represent seasons (series for those of you in the UK  ), rather than being truly representative of what's on the disc. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Actually the way the rules are written both ways is optional. That is why I pretty much stick with first in wins. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Leiterfluid: Quote:
Why wouldn't this information be at the parent-level profile, though? It seems like the first disc is being used as an artificial divider to represent seasons (series for those of you in the UK ), rather than being truly representative of what's on the disc. Actually, not necessarily. If I'm reading the rules right when you have multiple seasons packaged together it's the parent profile info that becomes optional - it can be treated more like a boxset - so in some cases, the only info available may be on that disc id profile. | | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,741 |
| | Posted: | | | | There is no consistency in the database regarding Complete Series Box Sets. I've seen both variants.
Parent profiles that have 40 disc profiles as children because while the seasons are indivdually packed, the season box has no UPC.
And parent profiles that have 5 disc profiles as children where the Disc ID of disc 1 is used as season profile.
I've even seen the latter case where the 5 disc profiles then contain the discs 2 - 6 as children but naturally there's no individual disc 1 profile. | | | Karsten
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
In this case, since the individual discs came before the complete set, that is what should be represented in the main database. Per the rules, we are not allowed to replace original release data with re-release data. Martin is correct the first release rule wins. These disc IDs came out before the complete season so they should be setup that way. For those that own the complete series release they can either lock down their profiles or add all individual disc IDs to the complete series box. | | | Are you local?
This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
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| Registered: March 16, 2007 | | Posts: 278 |
| | Posted: | | | | It would seem the rules already address this. "All information in the main DVD Profiler database is to be for the Original Release version of the disc" Since the information in the DB is based on re-release data, the "no" votes appear to have violated the rules. Looks like I'll be resubmitting these contributions with the correct data.  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | That is, indeed, what the rules require. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,796 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have five seasons, thus including the two UPCs in question here.
All of my 5 season were pre-orders and came as soon as released in digipaks.
These profiles are shining examples of why don't blindly accept updates and keep my collection locked
and preview all updates and rarely take all the changes offered.
A random check, (preview) of what is on the on-line db and what I have, somebody has changed
the scans so 1) they don't agree with the parent, 2) nor with the other child profiles in the season sets.
Not mention other changes that look questionable.
The only thing that should have changed in these profiles is the data changes in the DVD Profiler format since the move to Invelos; (all were available Season One, February 4, 2003 to Season Five ,March 28, 2006).
What amazes is that some people can read this forum, but they can not read the rules.
Can somebody explain this to me, maybe I'm a little dense. | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own.
Ineptocracy, You got to love it.
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln | | | | Last edited: by Srehtims |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Srehtims: Quote:
What amazes is that some people can read this forum, but they can not read the rules.
Can somebody explain this to me, maybe I'm a little dense. It's not that they can't read the rules, it's that the rules don't allow for what they want, so they ignore them. For some people, getting what they believe to be proper data, into the main database, is more important than the following the rules. While I can understand it when the rules aren't clear, I can't understand it when the rules are. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,796 |
| | Posted: | | | | If they don't like the rules, they can keep their profiles local.
That is what I do. I don't need the hassle. Don't suffer fools gladly.
The world, mankind or civilization will not end because you did not contribute a DVD profile. | | | We don't need stinkin' IMDB's errors, we make our own.
Ineptocracy, You got to love it.
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Srehtims: Quote:
If they don't like the rules, they can keep their profiles local.
That is what I do. I don't need the hassle. Unfortunetly we have some contributors that either don't understand the difference between the local and online database or just want the online to reflect their local data no matter what. | | | Are you local?
This is a local shop the strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways. |
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