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| Registered: May 9, 2007 |  Posts: 50 |
| | Posted: | | | | I believe that the time has come to discus this situation. I have noticed that the vast majority of the Blu-ray disc that comes with a DVD version of the movie either a separate disc of a flipper audio is set to the proper format and often a child profile is made for the DVD companion. Why is it not the same with HD DVD combo too? The DVD part is a bonus most of the time, with different audio option than the High definition version. We should agree that due to differences with the different format only audio that are in the main menu of example of the HD DVD side or Blu-ray should show on the profile.
HD DVD's are special in a way as Dolby Digital Plus was a mandatory audio format so there is no Dolby Digital found on this format.
Some would say "Yeah but what about the other flipper?" I answer most of those are DVD's with two sides so there are DVD's and it is okay to include any soundtrack here, but combo from HD DVD or Blu-ray are another game here as they are two different format and the profile should reflect any technical views of each format individually. The Picture of a HD DVD is a Windscreen and The DVD is Anamorphic windscreen. We have to make a choice here and the logical one is on the HD DVD the highest quality should be included in the profile as such for Blu-ray and that includes Picture and audio. The DVD version should be a child profile in which all technical aspect of this type of media will be reflecting the reality correctly | | | | Last edited: by robetclo2516 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 951 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would treat a combo flipper the same way as you would a combo two disc. The main profile should only profile the primary format being packaged (HD-DVD, Blu-ray, or DVD) depending on how it is marketed. The second disc or other side should be contributed as a child profile.
There should be no need to mix the features, audio formats or anamorphic widescreen of both disc or sides on the main profile. Only the features, audio formats, and anamorphic should be used by what is actually on the main disc or side. The only other issue would be the video format as the program automatically makes the main profile be NTSC or PAL. | | | Are you local?
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | I feel that combo discs should not be treated as child profiles or extra disc because there is no extra disc.. Reason why they are called combo is just that- a combination of video and audio features..(flipper). If it was 'bonus disc' with all the same feature-extras then it would be a parent/child .. But combo's should be treated as one unity. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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| Registered: February 23, 2009 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,580 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
I feel that combo discs should not be treated as child profiles or extra disc because there is no extra disc.. Reason why they are called combo is just that- a combination of video and audio features..(flipper). If it was 'bonus disc' with all the same feature-extras then it would be a parent/child .. But combo's should be treated as one unity. I understand your reasoning, but the only problem I see is that the data can be different on both sides. Let's take the following example of a Blu-ray/DVD flipper: Blu-ray:Audio- English DTS HD MA 7.1 - English DD 5.1 Subtitles:- English, French, Spanish Runtime: both theatrical and Director's Cut included. Longest runtime : 132 min Features: Bonus Trailers, Feature Trailers, Featurettes, Audio Commentary, PiP, BD-Live DVD:Audio- English DD 2.0 Subtitles:- English, French, German Runtime: both theatrical only. Runtime : 122 min Features: Feature Trailers, Featurettes, Audio Commentary So what do you do? Mash everything together into one profile? - you'll have three audio tracks which are not available on both, but only on one side - you'll have subtitles that overlap and some that are different - same goes for features - runtime could also be cause for confusion. So even though they are physically one disc, a Parent-Child profile relationship would allow you to track each side's characteristics and clearly distinguish between the two. Imagine someone bought a flipper but doesn't own a BD-player. That user will be looking for Spanish subtitles that to the best of his knowledge, aren't on the disc. Some users might rely on DVDP info to decide which disc to purchase and when they get home, be shocked to notice the subtitles they wanted or needed are only available on the side they can't access (yet). Therefor, I'm inclined to go with splitting the profiles. I think it's the best way to track exact data. | | | Blu-ray collection
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't agree with that logic, if we already treat a 2-sided disc with 2 films as 2 profiles, then whether the other copy is on another disc or another side, I see nothng wrong with adding them.
Edit: Taro was quicker, this was a response to Widescreenforever. | | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting robetclo2516: Quote:
... The DVD part is a bonus most of the time, with different audio option than the High definition version. ... Do we really do child profiles for Bonus DVDs? I thought we do just if the movie is added in a different media type. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 3,197 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting robetclo2516: Quote:
I believe that the time has come to discus this situation. I have noticed that the vast majority of the Blu-ray disc that comes with a DVD version of the movie either a separate disc of a flipper audio is set to the proper format and often a child profile is made for the DVD companion. Why is it not the same with HD DVD combo too? I always thought it was because nobody cared. People bought HD DVD for the HD content and didn't care for the DVD side as it was often an unwanted "bonus" (many flipper-haters avoided buying them altogether). Honestly, I've never heard a single person request it, so why do you suddenly feel it's needed now, when the format has been dead and buried for more than two years? But technically, I don't think there's anything that prevents you now from adding a child profile for the DVD side to a HD DVD combo profile. It would fit well within the current contribution rules. I just see no reason to go there personally when all that work could be spent on something more productive. Here's the relevant paragraph from the rules: Quote:
Sets containing the same film on multiple media types (such as a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack) are to be entered as a normal profile for the main media type (Blu-ray in this example), with all included media types checked. A combo which includes HD media (HD-DVD, Blu-ray) as well as DVD should use the details from the HD media in the main profile. However, you may add an additional profile by Disc ID for the DVD content and add this profile to the Box Set contents for the Blu-ray profile. Note that the example mentions Blu-ray but doesn't exclude HD DVD. EDIT: And of course if the audio type is set wrong for the HD DVD it should be corrected, regardless if there is a child profile or not. In the past it was not possible to enter Dolby Digital Plus 1.0 and 2.0 which meant that in many profiles audio was incorrectly entered as Dolby Digital, particularly for older films that didn't feature 5.1 sound and for commentary tracks. | | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 | | | | Last edited: by Nexus the Sixth |
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| Registered: February 23, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,580 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
Quoting robetclo2516:
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... The DVD part is a bonus most of the time, with different audio option than the High definition version. ...
Do we really do child profiles for Bonus DVDs? I thought we do just if the movie is added in a different media type. Yes, I think we do. One example that comes to mind is this one: The Day the Earth Stood Still Regions All Released: 7/04/2009 Widescreen 2.35 It has the original '50s movies as a bonus Blu-ray (which is also sold seperately). So it was added as a child profile using disc ID. So two different movies on the same media type. Makes sense to have two profiles as each has their own features, credits, and so on. | | | Blu-ray collection
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Of course we do bonus movies (no matter which media format). Sorry, if this sounded unclear from me.  But for Bonus DVDs with just Featurettes, ... we don't do? |
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| Registered: February 23, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,580 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
Of course we do bonus movies (no matter which media format). Sorry, if this sounded unclear from me.
But for Bonus DVDs with just Featurettes, ... we don't do? Oh sorry, I think I misunderstood you. I'm not sure if this falls into the scope of what you consider a bonus DVD, but for Lost Season 4 on Blu-ray, the last disc doesn't contain any episodes, just featurettes. It got added together with the discs that have episodes as a child profile. Is that what you mean or do you specifically mean disc that only contain featurettes packed together with a movie (so not counting TV series)? | | | Blu-ray collection
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| Registered: January 1, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,087 |
| | Posted: | | | | Just speaking of movies. (I'm not very familiar with the special rules of TV series)
I always thought at a movie we do just enter a child profile for a second disc if a bonus movie is included ...
... or if the same movie is included in a different media type.
Bonus DVDs without a movie (just featurettes, trailers, other bonus content) won't get a child profile.
(Of course some different rulings on box sets)
I'm asking, because I understood the op was asking if it is allowed to do in all cases. |
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| Registered: February 23, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,580 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
Bonus DVDs without a movie (just featurettes, trailers, other bonus content) won't get a child profile. I see now. Wait, I think I've just found an example that could match what you're describing: The Ultimate Matrix Collection Blu-ray (UPC 085391167921) It has the three movies on BD as child profiles, but also a child profile for the bonus DVD's called the Matrix Experience (UPC 883929046447), which contains no movies but only Featurettes and the likes. Would that example cover the inclusion of child profile DVD's for movies? | | | Blu-ray collection
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | There seems to be some confusion on when to create a profile for an extras disc with no movie.... If there is an extras disc for a single movie you do not create a profile for the extras disc. If there is an extras disc for a boxset that covers all movies in the set you can then create a profile for the bonus disc. It is in the Boxset Rules See Here: Quote:
If a Box Set contains discs of Bonus Material for individual films, do not create separate profiles for these discs. Add the information to the individual film’s profile as normal for a single film 2-Disc set. If there is a disc of Bonus Material for all films included in the Box-set, create a separate profile for this disc. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting VirusPil: Quote:
Do we really do child profiles for Bonus DVDs? If the bonus DVD features a complete bonus feature film, then yes we do. If the bonus DVD is just featurettes, trailers, interviews etc., then no we don't. |
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| Registered: February 23, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,580 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
There seems to be some confusion on when to create a profile for an extras disc with no movie....
If there is an extras disc for a single movie you do not create a profile for the extras disc.
If there is an extras disc for a boxset that covers all movies in the set you can then create a profile for the bonus disc.
It is in the Boxset Rules
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If a Box Set contains discs of Bonus Material for individual films, do not create separate profiles for these discs. Add the information to the individual film’s profile as normal for a single film 2-Disc set. If there is a disc of Bonus Material for all films included in the Box-set, create a separate profile for this disc. Thanks for posting. Interesting rule I had forgotten about. | | | Blu-ray collection
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | Wondering about this post and all above here.. What about DVD's that have widescreen on one side/P/S
on the Other Side that also contain featurettes etc that side one doesn't This wouldn't be considered a box set.. of two movies One disc .. It is a flipper or in the HDDVD example a Combo format.
Box sets should be and always would be different movies on same discs .. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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