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Born on the Fourth of July divider question.
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In the credits (see screenshot) the cast is divided in many groups. The Kovic Family, Vietnam, Massapequa etc etc. In my Norwegian profile it's lsted without dividers, but I want to reaudit and use dividers, since it's used in the credits. So for the "The Kovic Family", "Vietnam" etc, should I go for Episode dividers and Group dividers for "Platoon" under Vietnam divider? And ahould the credits go from left to right, or left all the way down, then right all the way down. In the credits there are lots of divided credits.
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According to Ken it's all group dividers.

Check here
or here

EDIT: Regarding the sorting order: Keep it in a way that is comprehensible and makes sense. From your screenshot I'd say left column first group first, then right column first group, then left column second group, etc..
Depending on how far this overlaps it might make more sense to go strictly by column though.
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right... it is against the rules to use episode dividers for groups within a single movie.
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Couldn't read the other post, since it's the rules comitte
So group dividers for all? And what direction should the credits be done, all left down then all right down, or left to right, left to right all the way down?
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Quoting bentyman:
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Couldn't read the other post, since it's the rules comitte

It's basically the same, added it because it's the source for the first link.
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So group dividers for all? And what direction should the credits be done, all left down then all right down, or left to right, left to right all the way down?

Edited my first post while you wrote this, so my idea on how to sort this is already given.
I'd wait for some more answers though, possibly someone sees this completely different.
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Quoting Silence_of_Lambs:
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Depending on how far this overlaps it might make more sense to go strictly by column though.

Some columns are "longer" on the left and it overlaps with the right. Another example:
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If I remember this movie's credits correctly, the credits were grouped (sort of) by timeline of events in the movie.  So basically (from memory) you would use the left column first and then go back to the beginning and then use the right column.  But, it might not be consistent so try and use your best judgement.

I think Oliver Stone has done these type of credits in some of this other movies as well. 
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Yeah, he used these types of credits in Any Given Sunday... which was a complete and royal pain in the ass... 

I believe, after I posed the question here (you can find that specific thread here, and if you ignore the bickering that shockingly took place in a thread on these boards...  , there's some pretty helpful opinions and suggestions) that I ended up doing that cast list as the full left hand column, followed by the full right hand column.

That case is slightly different though, as there wasn't any "main" group dividers in use, just group dividers that happened to appear in the credits. I feel like the same principles apply though. Order the cast in the most logical sense as they appear in the actual credit roll. If that happens to be the entire left hand column first, followed by the entire right hand column, or if it's the first section of the left hand column followed by the first section of the right hand column, I don't feel it's of that much particular importance. The information is still completely and technically correct, and it's all there. In a case like this, I feel like it depends on how the groups are listed in the credits.

Don't know if any of that helps, but there it is!
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With no real-world text-based DVD credit listing examples at my disposal, as Silence_of_Lambs suggested, I would list the left column first and then the right for the currently visible columns ("The Kovic Family" then "Vitenam") based solely on the methods that other listing systems use. They would not be visible at the very top of the credits if they were meant to be read much later on (after finishing the first column).

Using that same reasoning, when you get past columns that are perfectly parallel, my personal take on a situation is to list in order of group appearance. Like this:

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Quoting Blair:
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With no real-world text-based DVD credit listing examples at my disposal, as Silence_of_Lambs suggested, I would list the left column first and then the right for the currently visible columns ("The Kovic Family" then "Vitenam") based solely on the methods that other listing systems use. They would not be visible at the very top of the credits if they were meant to be read much later on (after finishing the first column).

Using that same reasoning, when you get past columns that are perfectly parallel, my personal take on a situation is to list in order of group appearance. Like this:



If I saw this grouping (without the numbered headings), my inclination would be to do the left column first and then the right column.

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I would probably do the same as you if they were on the screen all at one time just like it is here, but that's not the case on a scrolling-credits screen.

I just didn't feel like taking the time to make it an animated example


In reality, it really doesn't matter all that much unless we reach some kind of impasse like the next person asking the question, someone wanting to give an answer other than "it doesn't matter", and yet they have two examples to go by that contradict each other; or someone that feels a different order is correct and tries to submit the rearrangement to the database only to be shot down even though there is no agreement on what is or is not a correct order.
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I actually like Blair's method and thinking on this.  I vote for that.
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Here's how it appear in the credits: (not so fancy as Blair's example though )

The Kovic Family                      Vietnam
Massapequa                              Veterans Hospital
Syracuse                                  Villa Dulce
Arthur's Bar                              Georgia
Miami                                      Democratic Convention

In the movie it start's with "The Kovic Family" and next chapter brings us to Massapequa. And in the end of the movie he ends up at the "Democratic Convention" However in chapter 14 (2:00:00) they are in Miami.. and 12 minutes after the movie ends with credits.. then he couldn't be in Vietnam, Veterans Hospital, Villa Dulce, and Georgia in only 12 minutes. So Blair's example might be the correct listing in this case, based on the overlaping of divided credits in the movie..

edit: looking at the credits as they are now, it follows Blair's example, crossing from left to right (and back) based on grouping in the credits So I will go for this..
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This is how I did the groups in the version in the Oliver Stone Collection

The Kovic Family                     
Massapequa
Vietnam
Veterans Hospital
Syracuse                                 
Arthur's Bar
Villa Dulce
Georgia
Miami
Democratic Convention
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Quoting Tracer:
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This is how I did the groups in the version in the Oliver Stone Collection

The Kovic Family                     
Massapequa
Vietnam
Veterans Hospital
Syracuse                                 
Arthur's Bar
Villa Dulce
Georgia
Miami
Democratic Convention

That looks about right, due to the locations played out in the movie
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If you look at US locale UPC 025192-091421, this is how I did it and got approved after a very similar discussion.



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