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Discrepancy between cover and credits for cast/crew |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 |  Posts: 1,328 |
| | Posted: | | | | Are we to understand that in most cases, actual film credits trumps case cover for cast/crew listings? In which case is there an exception?
I am currently working on a profile for Fallen Angels (US Blu-ray release). The end credits list only Frankie Chan for Music. The Blu-ray case cover (and IMDB) list both Frankie Chan and Roel A. Garcia for Music. The end credits make no mention of Roel A. Garcia for any crew role including credits for individual songs. Internet search reveals that Frankie Chan and Roel Garcia are often credited together for movie soundtracks. Was his name accidentally left off the credits in this case, and if so, can he be credited on DVD Profiler? | | | | My Home Theater |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Not in most cases, all cases. Film credits trump every other source and there are no exceptions that I am aware of. Actually, there is one. If there are no film credits, the film's official site may be used as a source. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | What the Martian says, PERIOD. The Rule is clear. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,328 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Not in most cases, all cases. Film credits trump every other source and there are no exceptions that I am aware of. Actually, there is one. If there are no film credits, the film's official site may be used as a source. What about those cases where a famous producer or director is not in the credits for one reason or another? What about Alan Smithee films? | | | | My Home Theater |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | If they are not in the credits then they are left out. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Alan Smithee by Credited As. With documentation...of course.
As noted in the RULES, xradman, if they are not credited then they are NOT Contributable.
"Do not contribute uncredited crew members, as they can not be identified with (uncredited) as they are in the cast section. If you wish to see these uncredited crew members in your local database you can do so, but do not include them in contributions to the main database."
As always you are free to do as you wish loccally.<twitching> | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting xradman: Quote:
What about Alan Smithee films? For those you use the "credited as" features and you document it. You can't add uncredited crew (never understand why since we can do it with the cast), but no problem for adding them to your database as I do often. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting No_Name_Needed: Quote:
Quoting xradman:
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What about Alan Smithee films?
For those you use the "credited as" features and you document it. You can't add uncredited crew (never understand why since we can do it with the cast), but no problem for adding them to your database as I do often. I would like to see an uncredited added for crew in the next version, at the very least locally. |
| | Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting synner_man: Quote:
Quoting No_Name_Needed:
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Quoting xradman:
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What about Alan Smithee films?
For those you use the "credited as" features and you document it. You can't add uncredited crew (never understand why since we can do it with the cast), but no problem for adding them to your database as I do often.
I would like to see an uncredited added for crew in the next version, at the very least locally. I agree, it seems a logical step. If we have uncredited cast, I don't see why crew should be treated any differently. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
I agree, it seems a logical step. If we have uncredited cast, I don't see why crew should be treated any differently. I think, and I could be wrong, that it has to do with the ability to identify them. You can see an actor on the screen, to verify they were in the film, you can't see a producer. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Absolutely correct, Martian. Documentation for many such claims would be problematic att he very leatst. If you want to list uncredited crew locally, you can do so NOW, but they are not Contributable and i don't beliive that we should be allowed to list such crew people for Contribution, as a group our level of documentation is pretty bad and this will not do anything to improve that at all. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
Quoting Kathy:
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I agree, it seems a logical step. If we have uncredited cast, I don't see why crew should be treated any differently.
I think, and I could be wrong, that it has to do with the ability to identify them. You can see an actor on the screen, to verify they were in the film, you can't see a producer. But as long as there a standard that requires documentation, much like a Birth Year, we could also verify it. For example, take The Wizard of Oz. King Vidor filmed most of the Kansas scenes after Victor Fleming took over the reins of Gone with the Wind from George Cukor, including "Over the Rainbow," but was uncredited. It can easily be documented, so why not allow it? As long as we set a certain standard to documentation, such as a minimum of two solid sources, I can't see the harm in it. At the very least, allow us the ability to do so in our local database. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 736 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Absolutely correct, Martian. Documentation for many such claims would be problematic att he very leatst. If you want to list uncredited crew locally, you can do so NOW, but they are not Contributable and i don't beliive that we should be allowed to list such crew people for Contribution, as a group our level of documentation is pretty bad and this will not do anything to improve that at all. We can't do it locally now. There is no uncredited button. That's all I'm asking for. |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote:
I think, and I could be wrong, that it has to do with the ability to identify them. You can see an actor on the screen, to verify they were in the film, you can't see a producer.
It would be a question of documentation. Just as an exemple : we can't credit Bob Guccione as a director for Caligula even if this is well documented in the dvd extra he was because he isn't credited in the film credit. Just an uncredited button for the personal database as suggested by synner_man would be great. It would give the possibilty for those who track these info in their database to do it in a better way (by having a way to specify they are uncredited). | | | | Last edited: by Jimmy S |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting synner_man: Quote:
But as long as there a standard that requires documentation, much like a Birth Year, we could also verify it. For example, take The Wizard of Oz. King Vidor filmed most of the Kansas scenes after Victor Fleming took over the reins of Gone with the Wind from George Cukor, including "Over the Rainbow," but was uncredited. It can easily be documented, so why not allow it? As long as we set a certain standard to documentation, such as a minimum of two solid sources, I can't see the harm in it. At the very least, allow us the ability to do so in our local database. I am not against the idea, though I would have no use for it, I was just pointing out why, as far as I understood it, crew is treated differently. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting synner_man: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Absolutely correct, Martian. Documentation for many such claims would be problematic att he very leatst. If you want to list uncredited crew locally, you can do so NOW, but they are not Contributable and i don't beliive that we should be allowed to list such crew people for Contribution, as a group our level of documentation is pretty bad and this will not do anything to improve that at all.
We can't do it locally now. There is no uncredited button. That's all I'm asking for. We can do this already, because to every crew section we have this little button named "Other". Feel free to enter "Producer (uncredited)", or any other role you'd like to establish. This will only be valid for your local database and cannot be contributed. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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