So I'm working on the crew for Avatar (which is monstrous by the way... I'd like to see someone tackle these open credits...  ), and I've run across something that usually seems fairly clear-cut, but is a little different than what I've seen before.

About 8/10ths of the way through the crew, the header "New Zealand Live Action Unit" appears. Then a bunch of jobs and names. Then the header "Camera" appears. Then a bunch of jobs and names. Then the header "Art Department" appears. Then a bunch of jobs and names. No one under these three headers meets the criteria to be entered under crew.

However, then a header appears "Hair/Make-Up". And under this header "Hair and Make-up Supervisor" appears, "Make-up Artists" appear, and then "Sigourney Weaver Make-up & Hair" appears.

Normally I'd discount any kind of "2nd" crew, but I don't know if this is "2nd" crew. A huge chunk of the movie was filmed in New Zealand, and obviously Sigourney Weaver was filming there, and if she had hair and make-up, obviously she was filming principal photography.

To top it off, the header "Sound" appears, and under that header, two more Production Sound Mixers are listed. Then the header "Costumes" appears, and under that header, "New Zealand Costume Designer" and "Costume Supervisor" both appear.

There's a smaller header later on for "Los Angeles Live Action" which also contains "Make-up Department Head" and "Make-up Artist" and "Costume Supervisors".

Almost all of the names that appear in these crew units, are fairly well known (at least to my local database). Names like Linda DeVetta and Mike Smithson appear numerous times in the system.

Should ANY of these crew members be entered? Could I use the new group dividers and put in the proper group listings for them?

Whatcha' think?

I listed them twice.

Quoting TheMadMartian:

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This came up once before, and I will give you the same answer I gave there.

While the rules now prohibit 'unit' crew, there is no mention of 'location' crew.  Let's use Babel as an example.  It was filmed in three different countries...Morocco, Mexico and Japan...using three sets of supporting crew.  Should those crew be left out simply because they were used in Morocco and not Japan or Mexico?  I don't think so.  In my opinion, they should be entered using a divider.

If the Martian agrees, I'm totally down (mostly 'cause I agree with you!  ).

Thanks for your opinions gents!

I'm going to submit the DVD child profile as is (with the location crew entered under dividers) and put the blu-ray parent info up for voting, see how it plays out.

You could do that Tim but you would be wrong for Contribution. but I do understand your logic

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Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:

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You could do that Tim but you would be wrong for Contribution.

I don't believe I would. But it seems the userbase doesn't agree on the meaning of virtually any rule anymore at the moment - due to all the different interpretations tracking crew seems to have largely become a "first one in wins" affair, after which you can only keep your own data local.

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but I do understand your logic

I won't even bother to explain that, though I could. But that is why I find the user to user data swapping we can now do to be far more functional.

Quoting TheMadMartian:

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This came up once before, and I will give you the same answer I gave there.

While the rules now prohibit 'unit' crew, there is no mention of 'location' crew.  Let's use Babel as an example.  It was filmed in three different countries...Morocco, Mexico and Japan...using three sets of supporting crew.  Should those crew be left out simply because they were used in Morocco and not Japan or Mexico?  I don't think so.  In my opinion, they should be entered using a divider.

While I see your point I still have to disagree.
Simply because I don't see that much of a difference between "location crew" and "unit crew", both are for what reason ever not considered to be part of the "main crew", that's why they got their own section in the credits.

Quoting Merrik:

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Them Canadian locality Avatar owners are going to loathe me.If any of them read this... sorry!   

Trust me, I am really not. There are so few people in Canada who seem to know how to document things when they contribute (see the competing Avatar contributions for prime examples) that it is always a breath of fresh air when I see submissions from those that do. I appreciate the work.

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I wouldn't wish trying to figure out those friggin' credits on anyone else around here! 

    no. That is why I set them aside until later when I made my initial submission. You just saved me a huge hassle.