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| Registered: March 17, 2007 |  Posts: 16 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've noticed that many of my Blu-rays (mostly Warner and Paramount titles) which are listed on the back cover as having a 1.85 aspect ratio actually have a 1.78 aspect ratio encoded on the disc. Most of these titles are listed in the database with a 1.85 aspect ratio. Should these be left as 1.85 in the database or is it proper to update these profiles to 1.78 as is technically correct. I do realize that the difference is extremely minimal but my display has a "dot by dot" mode and I actually can see the difference. I don't have the ability to measure aspect ratios to a precise measurement, but I can recognize 1.78 on my display because of the way the outermost pixels are framed. So...should these profiles be left at 1.85 (according to the back cover) or updated to 1.78 (according to the disc). (Yes, I do realize that this is being vey nitpicky but I just can't help it)  Also, I do realize that I can change this locally in my database and lock it (I have in fact been doing that). Ryan. | | | | Last edited: by 0ddba11 |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,733 |
| | Posted: | | | | If the actual aspect ratio is 1.78:1, then that trumps whatever the cover says. |
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Also agree that what's on the disc takes priority.
However, what I don't accept is when someone puts in their notes something along the lines of "Changed ratio by watching it on my TV". Due to over scan which user might not have been aware of a 1.85:1 image could look like 1.78:1 on screen. So if someone submits a change for a ratio using only a TV & someone else says they used software to measure it, I'll take the software measured one all the time. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,946 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
Also agree that what's on the disc takes priority.
However, what I don't accept is when someone puts in their notes something along the lines of "Changed ratio by watching it on my TV". Due to over scan which user might not have been aware of a 1.85:1 image could look like 1.78:1 on screen. So if someone submits a change for a ratio using only a TV & someone else says they used software to measure it, I'll take the software measured one all the time. Agreed on all counts. | | | View my collection at http://www.chriskepolis.be/home/dvd.htm
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| Registered: March 17, 2007 | | Posts: 16 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
Also agree that what's on the disc takes priority.
However, what I don't accept is when someone puts in their notes something along the lines of "Changed ratio by watching it on my TV". Due to over scan which user might not have been aware of a 1.85:1 image could look like 1.78:1 on screen. So if someone submits a change for a ratio using only a TV & someone else says they used software to measure it, I'll take the software measured one all the time. Yeah, I was concerned about that so I've never actually tried submitting a database update for 1.78 aspect ratios (I just change it locally). Speaking for myself though, my display has a "dot by dot" mode that eliminates any overscan so I can actually spot letterboxed bars on 1.85 movies. (I sit close enough when watching that it's easy to see the difference between 1.85 and 1.78) Point taken. I think I’ll avoid submitting since I'm not using software to measure. Thanks for the feedback. Ryan. |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,550 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Forget_the_Rest: Quote:
Also agree that what's on the disc takes priority.
However, what I don't accept is when someone puts in their notes something along the lines of "Changed ratio by watching it on my TV". Due to over scan which user might not have been aware of a 1.85:1 image could look like 1.78:1 on screen. So if someone submits a change for a ratio using only a TV & someone else says they used software to measure it, I'll take the software measured one all the time. True. Even though my TV does not over scan, I do use my laptop Blu-ray drive to verify. | | | | Last edited: by The Movieman |
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| Registered: March 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Posted: | | | | If it's really 1.78, it should be corrected. Just make sure to enter your verification method in your contribution notes. Saying you used your display in "dot by dot" mode to check should be fine. |
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| Registered: May 8, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,945 |
| | Posted: | | | | should always be corrected Easiest way is with Power DVD in window mode, if you see small blackbars it is 1:1.85, if you see no black bars it is 1:1.78 Donnie | | | | www.tvmaze.com |
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| Registered: June 21, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DarklyNoon: Quote:
should always be corrected
Easiest way is with Power DVD in window mode, if you see small blackbars it is 1:1.85, if you see no black bars it is 1:1.78
Donnie This is what I use to determine AR, and it hasn't lied yet. I've probably switched 2 dozen this year already, and 1 from 1.78 to 1.85. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | Ten, twelve years ago,, 1:85 was the norm for a large percentage of movies,, (and still is..) But with the advent of DVD and the new anamorphic widescreen ( which never really existed with Laser Disc),, the 1:85 films in the theaters and on Laser disc ( i.e. Criterion Voyager) were 'reformatted' to New DVD's and to fit a 16x9 TV set so there would not be any 'hint' of black bars ( which you can plainly see with (i.e.) PowerDVD software. So when the art work for new releases state 1:85 they are referring to the OAR of the theatrical print.. and come to think of this I know of no theatrical movie that has OAR of 1:78 ... ?? | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 1,328 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
Ten, twelve years ago,, 1:85 was the norm for a large percentage of movies,, (and still is..) But with the advent of DVD and the new anamorphic widescreen ( which never really existed with Laser Disc),, the 1:85 films in the theaters and on Laser disc ( i.e. Criterion Voyager) were 'reformatted' to New DVD's and to fit a 16x9 TV set so there would not be any 'hint' of black bars ( which you can plainly see with (i.e.) PowerDVD software. So when the art work for new releases state 1:85 they are referring to the OAR of the theatrical print.. and come to think of this I know of no theatrical movie that has OAR of 1:78 ... ?? 3D Avatar had OAR of 1.78 since it was projected digitally. | | | | My Home Theater | | | | Last edited: by xradman |
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| Registered: July 22, 2007 | | Posts: 348 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting xradman: Quote:
3D Avatar had OAR of 1.78 since it was projected digitally. On the local minIMAX screen, it was in 3D via film. Thank goodness we still have IMAX film.  | | | Mr Video Productions
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| Registered: June 21, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,621 |
| | Posted: | | | | It's hard for me to tell 1.78 vs 1.85 without a known border to help, but I swear the Saw movies were all 1.78 in the theater.
I also think many films now are shown 1.78, but plenty older movies (70's - 90's) that were shown 1.85 are opened up to 1.78 for home video.
I wouldn't read anything else into the ratio listed on cover then a guess. Seen too many errors to believe they could have some deeper meaning like original theater ratio vs home video ratio. Not trying to rain on your parade or anything, just saying, most studios seem to have monkeys putting together covers. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting bigdaddyhorse: Quote:
(...) but plenty older movies (70's - 90's) that were shown 1.85 are opened up to 1.78 for home video. (...) Or they are cropped down to 1.78 for home video. Both happens. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,491 |
| | Posted: | | | | HDTV is being feed a lot of asinine OAR from the studios & sold for cable broadcast .. A lot and I mean a LOT of panavision films to to even recently broadcast of Ben-Hur in HD is being broadcast at 1.78 ..  | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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