I am trying to figure out, if there is a sound credit under a visual effects house if it should be credited?

I contributed "The American President".  It appears that there is quite a few credits under Industrial Light & Magic, 2 off which are labeled as recordist.  I converted to group credits, and corrected the names that were already in the db under Industrial Light & magic.

There are a number of no votes, stating that this is against the rules.  Unless I am missing something, I do not see this exclusion in the rules.  I don't remember any discussion of this (There have been a lot of them and I may have missed it.  excuse the rest, there are 5 sequential screen caps











These credits run sequentially with no gap till the last image.  Notice the 2 recordists on the last image.

If I am wrong, I will resubmit.

Well, Charlie, based on what you provided with your screen caps, it seems very clear that you have VE people working under ILM AND Sound people working under ILM so using Group Dividers in the appropriate categories is completely correct. Thanks. Where is it written that ILM is ONLY a VFX house, that sounds like someone reaching another baseless assumption. The data is what it is and they obviously are involved in some way or other in Sound as well as Visuals. Great job, Charlie

Skip

I see no problem with including recordist, unless someone wants to be completely AR. Movieman. We generally include Sound credits wherever they are found, unless they are a location/unit Crew member which these are NOT. There is nothing in the rules that indicates anything special in this regard same the PSM.

Like I said Charlie hit it exactly right, straight out of the park. He can play Centerfield for my team.

Skip

As I have said many time, Movieman, I don't judge the data I only follow it. The data says what it is and the ONLY way under the Rules to disallow it is IF it were a location/unit crew listing which this is not. They are working for or under contract to ILM, strange and unusual...you betcha, valid...absolutely.

Skip

Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:

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We generally include Sound credits wherever they are found, unless they are a location/unit Crew member which these are NOT.

Actually, I would argue that these are unit crew members, as they don't seem to be the principal sound recordists.  But, I don't have a strong aversion to including them either.

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I don't see anything in the rules against listing these under group dividers. My only issue is that the group divider rule for crew says "Exception: If a company name heads a group of crew, use the Group divider to enter the company name." You've entered the film credit + company name. I would just enter the company name as referenced in the rule.

Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:

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I see no problem with including recordist, unless someone wants to be completely AR. Movieman. We generally include Sound credits wherever they are found, unless they are a location/unit Crew member which these are NOT. There is nothing in the rules that indicates anything special in this regard same the PSM.[...]Skip

Who says these are sound credits? The titles say Recordist, not Sound Recordist. So regarding them being listed inside the visual effects block they could also be recordists of visual media of any kind. Also they may have recorded some sound or they may have not... who knows? Anyway, as long as they are not called sound recordists they should not been submitted as sound crew members.

Oooooh, that helps (even regarding that it is bad bad IMDB data  ). I should have looked it up myself before writing crap. Apologies also to Skip.

Besides that, the whole thing is quite strange because the term "Recordist" without using the words sound or dubbing and without saying re-recordist is very unusual, especially if those jobs are mentioned inside the Visual Effects block. (I don't know the film so maybe there is something quite unusual in this picture, e.g. re-recording a sequence that is then used while shooting the real film. Are there any other re-recordists mentioned in the credits?)

Anyway, regarding the long list of credits for other films of these two guys, it seems quite obvious that they are indeed "Re-Recoding Mixers" and thus may be entered so.