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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | The particular case at issue is Alias season 5. The complete series and season 5 were released at the same time. Currently, the ID for disc one has cover art for the full series set and the data for the whole season. All the other discs for season 5 have data for that disc only and cover art from the season set. Is it proper to change the disc 1 ID to the data for disc 1 only and the season set cover art? |
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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | Apparently, this has been rejected before, but my feeling is the rules only support disc level profiles, not season level (unless the season has its own UPC, of course). This doesn't fall under the rule about not removing the data from television box sets, because this particular disc is not entered as a box set, nor would it be reasonable to do so. |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,917 |
| Posted: | | | | It doesn't make sense to create a profile for a disc id and then include stuff from other discs. |
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| T!M | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 8,738 |
| Posted: | | | | From the rules: "In rare cases where multiple Complete TV Series are packaged together, the Box-set rules can be applied, treating each series like a single film - applying the above rules for it’s individual profile."
So yes, one profile (using the disc ID of the first disc) for each season in the set, is allowed. | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Yes... it is allowed per Rules. And has been basically a first in stays type rule. When I see this I just upload the rest of the discs in the set and change the first disc locally. | | | Pete |
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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | That note says when multiple complete series are packaged together. In this case, there is only one series: Alias. That rule would apply if we had something like "The complete Buffy and Angel." I am not aware of any sets like this.
There may be a linguistic issue here. In the US, a show is a series and one year of a show is a season. I understand that in Europe, years can be called series. This rule was definitely written with the US terminology in mind, though, otherwise multiple series packaged together wouldn't be rare at all. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Actually it is well known (as this issue was brought up multiple times) that that particular rule was written by someone in the UK. I may not like that rule. But it is just as allowed as disc level profiles are. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote: There may be a linguistic issue here. In the US, a show is a series and one year of a show is a season. I understand that in Europe, years can be called series. This rule was definitely written with the US terminology in mind, though, otherwise multiple series packaged together wouldn't be rare at all. At the time the rules were written, it was fairly rare to see multiple seasons of a series packaged together. What we have here is a rule that needs to be changed because it is, now, quite common. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I agree with my little green friend. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,293 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote: From the rules: "In rare cases where multiple Complete TV Series are packaged together, the Box-set rules can be applied, treating each series like a single film - applying the above rules for it’s individual profile."
So yes, one profile (using the disc ID of the first disc) for each season in the set, is allowed. Excaltly... sadly if there's a conflict at the moment it has to be "first come, first served" as both options are permitted by the Rules. Hopefully one day we'll be able to do both Quoting Addicted2DVD Quote: When I see this I just upload the rest of the discs in the set and change the first disc locally Same here except when I see a series of disc level profiles I chaneg the first one to a season level profile locally! Each to their own... and as I say, one day hopefully it will be possible to have an additional flag so the Disc ID can be used for Season AND disc level profiles so we can all be happy. Quoting TheMadMartian Quote: What we have here is a rule that needs to be changed... Well I agree... but (I suspect) unlike yourself I'd like it changed so it says "should" not "can" so it's done by Season level NOT Disc level because that's the way I prefer | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong | | | Last edited: by Voltaire53 |
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Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | Not only that - as the rules state "Individual profiles for each disc may be submitted if desired, but this is not required.", I would conclude that season-level profiles take precedence over disc-level profiles. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,380 |
| Posted: | | | | Wheres the option "Neither"? Having child profiles or season based profiles is made optional, so this would contradict with the handling of TV erie profiles one way or the other. The program should be changed. |
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Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | I disagree that having season-based profiles is made optional. The contribution rules for TV series start by saying:
"TV Series on DVD come in 2 separate types:
Complete Series/Season sets Anthologies of Episodes that do not form a complete series or season."
And then they proceed to specify how to profile such sets. Nowhere does it say that profiling them is optional. Unlike disc-level profiles, where the rules explicitly state - and I quote - that this is "not required".
The phrase in the rules that T!M quoted governs the relationship between a multi-season profile and what comes below (it says it can be set up as a box-set type of relationship), but it does not in and by itself make the creation of season-level profiles optional. | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,380 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote: I disagree that having season-based profiles is made optional. The contribution rules for TV series start by saying:
"TV Series on DVD come in 2 separate types:
Complete Series/Season sets Anthologies of Episodes that do not form a complete series or season."
And then they proceed to specify how to profile such sets. Nowhere does it say that profiling them is optional. Unlike disc-level profiles, where the rules explicitly state - and I quote - that this is "not required".
The phrase in the rules that T!M quoted governs the relationship between a multi-season profile and what comes below (it says it can be set up as a box-set type of relationship), but it does not in and by itself make the creation of season-level profiles optional. I think the reason for that is (that you disagree) you dont realise that people that have child profiles ALSO have a parent profile (In this case the parent is just one step higher in the hierarchy), just one with less info (which we, the child profiles users strip locally to satisfy the needs of the single profile users). So either way the parent exists. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Saying it can be created does indeed make it optional since it is not a mandatory term. can = don't have to. It is just as optional as disc level profiles... just written with different terms. | | | Pete |
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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | Also, it never says to create the season profiles by disc ID. It only says this for individual discs. Presumably, this rule is only talking about cases where the individual season sets are packaged together, UPC and all. |
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