A question i hope that someone can enlighten me on,

i have just made a contribution that is adding a birth year to the author mary shelley (to differentiate between 80's actress in witchcraft & witchcraft II which are in the database).

also in the contribution, i have listed her as mary shelley with a credited as name of mary woolstonecraft shelley (CLT shows this as correct).

however when i go to submit this, the check box to submit the new birth year data is showing mary woolstonecraft shelley


so as far as the program goes, i have attached a birth year to mary shelley

but it seems that as far as the online database goes, i have attached a birth year to mary woolstonecraft shelley (which is not needed).


is my thnking right?

in order to get this sorted, i'm thinking i would have to
1) cancel the submission and re-submit without the birth year info
2) submit the birth year info on a profile where the "credited as" isn't needed (mary shelley's frankenstein seems a safe bet - if i can ever find my dvd)

I can't answer about how to deal with the birth year for credited as.

But in this case is the credited as needed? I completely see where you are coming from. Although the CLT gives more hits for Mary Shelley than Mary W Shelley, your reason for using the birth year is that there is another M Shelley. If that is the case would that not invalidate the CLT result? Ie. most of the CLT hits for Mary Shelley are for the actress not the author and she can stay as credited?

Edited. Zwoti has now kindly cleared this up and the CLT entries are still in favour of the birth year even after taking the actress into account.

Quoting Graveworm:

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Edited. Zwoti has now kindly cleared this up and the CLT entries are still in favour of the birth year even after taking the actress into account.

Is it? I see the few entries for the actress, but have we also taken into account the incorrect IMDb-mined "Mary Shelley" entries for titles in which she's actually credited as "Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley"? Comparing the results for the two name variants, I can't help seeing a number of them listed under both variants, which likely suggests that part of the "Mary Shelley" ones are IMDb-mined. If these all were to be fixed, wouldn't that sway the common name to "Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley", eliminating the need to distinguish between them using birth years?

I can't say if it is needed in this particular case as it depends on how Mary Shelley (writer) was credited the most... but as a rule yes you use birth year to separate cast and crew as well... See Gerri's quote...


Quoting Gerri:

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The birth year will be accepted to differentiate between a cast and crew member. In your example below, Marc Warren is a valid birth year.

Quoting CharlieM:

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If that is the case, then I can accept it on that basis.  I was unaware.

I always saw it as a first step towards the seemingly inevitable point in time where cast and crew entries will finally link together.

I don't see a need for a BY, it is only needed in the case of two identical names. Mary Shelley (two of them) alone would need BY data for at least one BUT mary woolstonecraft shelley (mary shelley) and mary shelley are already differentiated and therefore BY data is unnecessary and against the Rules. If there are two mary woolstonecraft shelley i would probably pass out.

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The Common Name is the diferentiator, grave. By is not needed per Rules.

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Quoting kdh1949:

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Since the cast and crew are two unique datasets, the only reason [...]

Quoting Gerri Cole:

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The birth year will be accepted to differentiate between a cast and crew member.