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| Registered: June 8, 2007 |  Posts: 151 |
| | Posted: | | | | The Old School profile UPC - 678149062625
The Stunt People are listed in the cast. and I can't seem to find it in the rule were it says to omit stunt people. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,741 |
| | Posted: | | | | As far as I remember:
When inside the cast list (cast, stunts, cast) - include
When outside the cast list (cast, stunts or stunts, cast) - exclude | | | Karsten
DVD Collectors Online
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I believe I remember the same as Karsten. But I don't think this is something that you will find in the rules. I believe it is what was agreed on since it is not covered in the rules. | | | | Pete |
| | Registered: June 8, 2007 | | Posts: 151 |
| | Posted: | | | | the second part of the cast list in the end credits list the Pledges and then starts off the stunts with the coordinator, but doesn't seem to have a seperation between them. |
| | Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,917 |
| | Posted: | | | | If there is no separation, then we have to assume that the director wanted them to be included in with the cast list. |
|   | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 8,733 |
| | Posted: | | | | Never ever will any stunt crew make it's way into my database.  |
| | Registered: May 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,934 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
As far as I remember:
When inside the cast list (cast, stunts, cast) - include
When outside the cast list (cast, stunts or stunts, cast) - exclude This is also what I understand (never seen it expressed in the rules) Though, I am with T!M on this, I don't like them in the cast list. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Never ever will any stunt crew make it's way into my database.  I don't understand. You want ADR voices (not seen, but heard) but not stunt crew (seen, but probably not heard)?  | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,733 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Quoting T!M:
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Never ever will any stunt crew make it's way into my database.
I don't understand. You want ADR voices (not seen, but heard) but not stunt crew (seen, but probably not heard)? I really have no intention to get into this again - the previous thread was just locked - but it's so perfectly simple: these voice actors, whether they're credited as "additional voices", "ADR Group" or whatever else, are just that: actors. No matter how big or small you would rate their contribution, they gave an acting performance on the movie. Which is why they belong where actors go, and where their credits link together with their other acting credits, often including "regular" ones too. Stunt crew (not to mention the clearest example of all: the "stunt coordinator") is just that: crew. Anyway: you really don't have to understand: I'm just saying that I won't ever have any stunt crew in my local database. I'm not arguing or anything - I was just stating how I deal with all stunt crew personally. That's all. I will repeat one thing, though: as always, we should either track a certain group of people, or not track them at all. To do it sometimes, only based on formatting, is utterly pointless. |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 2,366 |
| | Posted: | | | | I totally agree with Tim. In fact I'm so satisfied with his view on things around here that I could say he's my spokesman.  | | | Martin Zuidervliet
DVD Profiler Nederlands |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | If Stunts are listed within the main cast credits, there's a reason the filmmakers chose to do this and we should include them. We don't omit something that's listed within the main cast of a film in its credits because we disagree with it's value.
If they are not listed within the cast credits in a film, they should not be included. | | | | Corey |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Katatonia: Quote:
If Stunts are listed within the main cast credits, there's a reason the filmmakers chose to do this and we should include them. We don't omit something that's listed within the main cast of a film in its credits because we disagree with it's value.
If they are not listed within the cast credits in a film, they should not be included. I agree. There is nothing complicated about this. | | | | Hal |
| | Corne | | Registered: Nov. 1, 2000 |
| Registered: April 5, 2007 | | Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Katatonia: Quote:
If Stunts are listed within the main cast credits, there's a reason the filmmakers chose to do this and we should include them. We don't omit something that's listed within the main cast of a film in its credits because we disagree with it's value.
If they are not listed within the cast credits in a film, they should not be included. Agreed! | | | | Cor |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting T!M: Quote:
Quoting m.cellophane:
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Quoting T!M:
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Never ever will any stunt crew make it's way into my database.
I don't understand. You want ADR voices (not seen, but heard) but not stunt crew (seen, but probably not heard)?
I really have no intention to get into this again - the previous thread was just locked - but it's so perfectly simple: these voice actors, whether they're credited as "additional voices", "ADR Group" or whatever else, are just that: actors. No matter how big or small you would rate their contribution, they gave an acting performance on the movie. Which is why they belong where actors go, and where their credits link together with their other acting credits, often including "regular" ones too. Stunt crew (not to mention the clearest example of all: the "stunt coordinator") is just that: crew. Anyway: you really don't have to understand: I'm just saying that I won't ever have any stunt crew in my local database. I'm not arguing or anything - I was just stating how I deal with all stunt crew personally. That's all.
I will repeat one thing, though: as always, we should either track a certain group of people, or not track them at all. To do it sometimes, only based on formatting, is utterly pointless. Stunts are sometimes included at the end of a cast list and sometimes included within the cast list, including the stunt coordinator, so I am indeed surprised that you emphatically state that they are always crew. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,733 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Stunts are sometimes included at the end of a cast list and sometimes included within the cast list, including the stunt coordinator, so I am indeed surprised that you emphatically state that they are always crew. What exact place someone is listed in a random set of film credits has absolutely no bearing as to whether they're cast or crew in the real world. That really is a complete misconception. Maybe a few DVD Profiler users look at this to help them decide what goes where, but in real life, it just doesn't work that way. Cast is cast, and crew is crew, no matter in what order, or where exactly, they're listed. Things may well be different within the DVD Profiler universe - fine! - but not in my database. I have a hard time believing you would actually classify a "stunt coordinator" as cast. I do believe that you might enter him, under certain circumstances, as part of the cast list, but that wasn't what I was saying. Even then, you'd still know that he wasn't actually a cast member. Right? Now, the only difference between us is that I use that knowledge to keep him out of my cast list, and you don't. And that's fine: I'm certainly not trying to convince you to see this my way, as I already know I won't succeed. I'm just telling you how I have chosen to handle this. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote:
Quoting T!M:
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Never ever will any stunt crew make it's way into my database.
I don't understand. You want ADR voices (not seen, but heard) but not stunt crew (seen, but probably not heard)? You really expect consistency? Skip  | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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