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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have a contribution pending for 'Aladin' (786936-223996). In that contribution I added, to the existing BVHE, the following entries: 'Walt Disney Home Entertainment' and 'Disney DVD'. I have gotten 4 'no' votes. Of those 4, only 2 gave actual reasons for their vote...""Disney DVD" is not a company." & "isn't "Disney DVD" a brand, not a MC?"
Where I have a problem with these 'no' votes is the fact that WDHE isn't a company either...it's a 'label'.
This brings me to my question...what constitutes a Media Company? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would credit all three.
We have no definition from Invelos. Any "user" interpretation is nothing more than their personal interpretation.
Until we have further guidance, we should include anything associated with the Media (as opposed to the Theatrical Release Studio or Film Production company). | | | | Hal | | | | Last edited: by hal9g |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 820 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
I would credit all three.
We have no definition from Invelos. Any "user" interpretation is nothing more than their personal interpretation.
Until we have further guidance, we should include anything associated with the Media (as opposed to the Theatrical Release Studio or Film Production company). I agree. A strict legal definition of what constitutes a company would be: "company" means a company incorporated, or taken to be incorporated, under the relevant legislation relating to company law. That however is not the definition applied at Invelos. Based on discussion to date, I think that the current fields should be defined as as any organisation or label associated with the production or distribution of the DVD and credited either on the packaging or in the DVD credits. | | | | Last edited: by Telecine |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,852 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
...what constitutes a Media Company? I would have to say that, as a minimum, it should be a company. --------------- |
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| Registered: March 16, 2007 | | Posts: 278 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yeah, I initially voted yes on this, but after having done some research, it looks like Disney DVD is more of a product branding than an actual media company. Especially since the placement and sizing of the logo on the cover is similar to that of THX. We wouldn't include THX as a media company, either. Sorry Unicus.  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,494 |
| | Posted: | | | | Disney DVD is a brand.. ( not a media company ) Hence: ( from wikipedia )
Disney DVD is the brand name under which Buena Vista Home Entertainment releases its Disney-branded motion pictures. In 1997, Disney began releasing titles on DVD, with VHS releases phased out after Bambi II was released in 2006. The brand launched a loyalty program called Disney Movie Rewards in October 2006. Participants can collect points by mailing in ticket stubs from DVD purchases. The points can be redeemed for prizes like games, books, and collectibles. | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
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| Registered: May 26, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,879 |
| | Posted: | | | | I've been wondering the same basic thing about DisneyDVD, and about Eclipse - which is a brand release from Criterion that is being listed in Studios and/or Media Companies for those releases. I'm going to remove them locally, but wasn't sure if that was the correct answer for online contribution.
But I'm of the opinion that since Eclipse is not a company, simply a brand that Criterion & Janus Films are releasing certain titles under, that it's not a media company or studio and doesn't belong in either field. Same with DisneyDVD.
Frankly, I've always looked at DisneyDVD as a way of Disney simply differentiating it's more popular (or expensive, take your pick) titles from those that are less so. | | | If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote:
Disney DVD is a brand.. ( not a media company ) Hence: ( from wikipedia )
Disney DVD is the brand name under which Buena Vista Home Entertainment releases its Disney-branded motion pictures. In 1997, Disney began releasing titles on DVD, with VHS releases phased out after Bambi II was released in 2006. The brand launched a loyalty program called Disney Movie Rewards in October 2006. Participants can collect points by mailing in ticket stubs from DVD purchases. The points can be redeemed for prizes like games, books, and collectibles. I know that Disney DVD is a brand, and never claimed otherwhise. The problem I have, as I explained in my initial post, is that WDSHE is just a label...as opposed to BVHE which is an actual company. Why is a label o.k. but a 'brand' is not? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,852 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
The problem I have, as I explained in my initial post, is that WDSHE is just a label...as opposed to BVHE which is an actual company. Why is a label o.k. but a 'brand' is not? Then take it out as well. I won't object. --------------- |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Then take it out as well. I won't object.
--------------- You might not, but there are a lot of people that will. This is the data, based on the conversations concerning this field, that people wanted to record. It is also the reason we have 3 fields...some people wanted BVHE, the distributor, while others wanted WDSHE, what they consider the publisher. For me, the best solution should be to enter them all and let the people who don't want one of them, remove that one from their local. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 16, 2007 | | Posts: 278 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting scotthm: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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The problem I have, as I explained in my initial post, is that WDSHE is just a label...as opposed to BVHE which is an actual company. Why is a label o.k. but a 'brand' is not?
Then take it out as well. I won't object.
--------------- I will. According to the Walt Disney Corporate website Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment distributes Disney and other film titles to the rental and sell-through home entertainment markets worldwide. |
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| Registered: March 20, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,852 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Leiterfluid: Quote:
Quoting scotthm:
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Then take it out as well. I won't object.
I will. All I can say (again) is that I believe all entries must represent companies, per the Rules: Quote:
Enter the DVD publishing company... I don't particularly care what was discussed in the forums about intentions. --------------- |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Leiterfluid: Quote:
I will. According to the Walt Disney Corporate website
Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment distributes Disney and other film titles to the rental and sell-through home entertainment markets worldwide. But they really don't. WDSHE is simply the 'label' that BVHE uses for Disney branded films...the same goes for 'Miramax Home Entertainment' and 'Touchstone Home Video/Entertainment'...which is why the copyright notice reads 'Distributed by Buena Vista Home Entertainment'. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: December 19, 2008 | | Posts: 34 |
| | Posted: | | | | Okay Unicus69 et all:  I'm trying to enter and contribute Season one of Flight 29 Down which is a box set with three volumes. The studios are definitely listed as "A Stan Rogow Prooduction in association with Discovery Kids." Okay those two places are the studios. Then, the DVD opens with Genius Entertainment and Genius Products on the back cover says that Genius only has the packaging copyrighted to them. SO, would Genius be a Media Company??? Decisions, Decisions, Decisions!  |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 1,022 |
| | Posted: | | | | What a mess eh!
We really need tighter controls and a full explanation from Ken in the rules for this Media company field, or else the database is just going to be overloaded with more useless rubbish.
There can be no logic to adding Disney DVD to a title, but the 'rules' are so vague it is uncertain if we should or shouldn't add such pointless labels.
Why couldn't we have just had a 'distributor' field, and only listed the companies copyrighted on the cover? Or is that too simple??
Confused! | | |  |
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| Registered: May 10, 2007 |  Posts: 1,059 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting richierich: Quote:
What a mess eh!
We really need tighter controls and a full explanation from Ken in the rules for this Media company field, or else the database is just going to be overloaded with more useless rubbish.
There can be no logic to adding Disney DVD to a title, but the 'rules' are so vague it is uncertain if we should or shouldn't add such pointless labels.
Why couldn't we have just had a 'distributor' field, and only listed the companies copyrighted on the cover? Or is that too simple??
Confused! Colour me confused as well - very confused!   | | | Berak
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