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| Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 465 |
| | Posted: | | | | I'm currently working on the credits for a TV series where the following entries are listed in the end credits: Title Theme By <Person1> Lyrics By <Person2> So far, both were correctly entered as "Song Writer" in the profile. Since we now have the new "Theme By" credits in Profiler 3.5, the problems arises how to list them. The title song is not a "theme" in the strict sense, because it has lyrics. What is there to do here? Keep the "Song Writer" entries? List the composer under "Theme By" and the lyrics writer as "Song Writer"? Enter them both as "Theme By"? | | | | Michael | | | | Last edited: by TigiHof |
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  | T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 8,669 |
| | Posted: | | | | So, technically, this is neither a "song" nor a "theme" - it's a "theme song"...  Personally, I'd suggest to reserve "theme by" strictly for instrumental themes, meaning these would be listed as "song writers". Having said that, I'll follow whatever strong consensus we can reach on this - I can see either side, but it's important that we all get on the same page on this. Maybe it can even still make it into the 3.5 rules revision? | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 17,329 |
| | Posted: | | | | I am actually on the other side of this issue. To me Theme and Theme Song is one in the same. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: June 12, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,665 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I am actually on the other side of this issue. To me Theme and Theme Song is one in the same. Concur. They made it easy by using the word "Theme" so i'd use the Theme By credit. Had it been just Title By & Lyrics By i'd probably list them as Songwriters. | | | | Bad movie? You're soaking in it! |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | a theme stays a theme, lyrics or not: Theme by = Title Theme By, Lyrics that is open for debate, are we after the melody or are we after the words to. | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| | Posted: | | | | In my opinion words are just as much part of the theme as the music is. | | | | Pete |
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | I'll gladly support using "theme by" for both - let's try and get it in the rules! @ Giga Wizard: for songs, we've always been after the lyricist, too: that's nothing new, and therefore not open for debate right now. I also certainly don't need a separate "lyrics by" credit: for me, this is more than enough. Again, I'll support using "theme by" for these. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would take a slightly different approach. The MUSIC writer is Theme by, the Lyrics would be Song Writer, you take those two bits of information and you know at a glance that you have a Theme Song.
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| T!M | | Profiling since Dec. 2000 |
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| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I would take a slightly different approach. The MUSIC writer is Theme by, the Lyrics would be Song Writer, you take those two bits of information and you know at a glance that you have a Theme Song. Of the three options we have, that's the one I decidly like the very least. Looking at the profile, I'd expect these to refer to two different things, I'd expect there to be both a "theme" and an "original "song". You say: "the Lyrics would be Song Writer", but, if you indeed consider the music a "theme", then those lyrics are for a "theme", not for a "song". They'd be "theme lyrics", not "song lyrics" - qualifying for a "theme" credit, I'd say. Suffice to say I'd really prefer one of the other two, but again: I'll take anything as long as we can get it in the rules, so that we won't have to spend the next three years arguing about this again. | | | | Last edited: by T!M |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,329 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote:
I would take a slightly different approach. The MUSIC writer is Theme by, the Lyrics would be Song Writer, you take those two bits of information and you know at a glance that you have a Theme Song.
Skip But how do you know at a glance it is the 2 making a theme song? or 1 person doing the theme and another being a song writer for other songs? Sorry Skip... but I don't agree with you on this one. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting TigiHof: Quote:
I'm currently working on the credits for a TV series where the following entries are listed in the end credits:
Title Theme By <Person1>
Lyrics By <Person2>
So far, both were correctly entered as "Song Writer" in the profile. Since we now have the new "Theme By" credits in Profiler 3.5, the problems arises how to list them. The title song is not a "theme" in the strict sense, because it has lyrics. What is there to do here? Keep the "Song Writer" entries? List the composer under "Theme By" and the lyrics writer as "Song Writer"? Enter them both as "Theme By"? According to the pending rules neither "title theme by" nor "lyrics by" will be allowed. Neither of them is listed exactly like this in the crew table. An exhaustive list of allowed exact role names does not work IMO. I would advocate to change the rules to define crew roles by function and not by name. EDIT: BTW IMO a theme can have lyrics as well. So I would advocate "theme by" for both credits. | | | | Last edited: by RHo |
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