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| Registered: October 2, 2008 |  Posts: 23 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have R2 DVDs of the anime series Mushi-shi, vols 1 - 5 (the final volume, 6, is not yet released in the UK).
When I bought vol 1, I got the limited edition "starter set" version, which is basically the standard vol 1 release plus a box to hold all 6 volumes.
The box has a different UPC to the individual volumes.
So, I'll just add volumes 2 - 5 (and 6 when it's released) by their UPCs, but do I enter vol 1 by its own UPC, or by the boxes UPC?
If it is the former, do I also add the "empty" box by its own UPC?
And if so, do I then mark it as a box set with the volumes as its contents, even though they were released separately and on different dates?
Cheers,
ClemBones |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 20,111 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would add the vol 1 by its own UPC. If the "empty" DVD box has a seperate UPC, add it. I don't really see a problem there if it's meant to hold volumes 1-6 of the series. Just be sure to follow the box set rules for the "empty" box. | | | | Corey |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,201 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with Katatonia. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ClemBones: Quote:
So, I'll just add volumes 2 - 5 (and 6 when it's released) by their UPCs, but do I enter vol 1 by its own UPC, or by the boxes UPC?
If it is the former, do I also add the "empty" box by its own UPC?
And if so, do I then mark it as a box set with the volumes as its contents, even though they were released separately and on different dates?
Cheers,
ClemBones I remember this being discussed a while ago (in relation to case types I believe) and it was agreed that yes it can be classed as a boxset, as although you don't don't get all the contents in one go, it was still intended from the start that all contents go into it. So yes, you can add the empty box on it's own UPC as a boxset profile and add the 6 volume profiles as child profiles. Although please note, as this is a TV series, you are allowed by the rules to add cast and crew to the boxset profile, though because you don't buy it as a whole I'd be tempted not to and treat it as a proper "boxset" and keep most of the profile blank. |
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| Registered: October 2, 2008 | | Posts: 23 |
| | Posted: | | | | I just realised that of course any boxset that has a UPC and has contents with different UPCs is added as a parent profile, so really my question should have been, do I class this as a boxset with only vol 1 as the child, or can I add the other vols as children too?
Which, I appreciate, you've answered for me anyway, so thanks! |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Posts: 3,830 |
| | Posted: | | | | in the boxset you add the vol 1 to 6. Enjoy your stay in this DVD Profiler community  | | | | Sources for one or more of the changes and/or additions were not submitted. Please include the sources for your changes in the contribution notes, especially for cast and crew additions. |
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| Registered: May 9, 2008 | | Posts: 467 |
| | Posted: | | | | I have a lot of these and the almost all of them are sold as a "limited Edition". In the database currently most entries treat the release as a "limited edition" release under the box UPC with the box profile containing the full profile for the volume included.
I do think these could be treated as a box set with just the one child profile for the volume included with the box.
I don't think these should be treated like a full box set because it is not sold as a set. If the entry in the database for a profile should match how the DVD is sold in the stores then the profile should not contain data that indicates it is a complete set.
Tom |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,242 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting tkinnen: Quote:
I have a lot of these and the almost all of them are sold as a "limited Edition". In the database currently most entries treat the release as a "limited edition" release under the box UPC with the box profile containing the full profile for the volume included.
I do think these could be treated as a box set with just the one child profile for the volume included with the box.
I don't think these should be treated like a full box set because it is not sold as a set. If the entry in the database for a profile should match how the DVD is sold in the stores then the profile should not contain data that indicates it is a complete set.
Tom But what if unlike in the US the DVD's are sold else where as a 'Box Set' or like R2 UK EAN 5035822015241 The Complete Pie is a Box Set of "American Pie: Ultimate Edition" & "American Pie 2: Unseen" both where sold separately & then sold later as a Slip Cased Box Set Edition? Just because they where sold once as stand alone titles doesn't mean they can't be sold as part of a Box Set. Steve |
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| Registered: May 9, 2008 | | Posts: 467 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting snarbo: Quote:
But what if unlike in the US the DVD's are sold else where as a 'Box Set' or like R2 UK EAN 5035822015241 The Complete Pie is a Box Set of "American Pie: Ultimate Edition" & "American Pie 2: Unseen" both where sold separately & then sold later as a Slip Cased Box Set Edition?
Just because they where sold once as stand alone titles doesn't mean they can't be sold as part of a Box Set. I believe you are describing a different issue. In this case we are discussing two different releases of a single title in a series, each with it's own UPC/EAN. One is in a standard case and one is in a standard case with a box that can hold the rest of the serials but does not include any other DVDs in the series. The key part is the UPC/EAN does not include any other titles. For examples see here: http://www.rightstuf.com/1-800-338-6827/catalogmgr/MOoCI0-SsaxWuzk8PR/browse/category/4/2231/0 The case you appear to describe is about Title A, B and C each with a unique UPC/EAN That are later sold as part of a box set under UPC/EAN D. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,242 |
| | Posted: | | | | No, you stated that they should not be treated as a box set because they are sold as such.
I stated "What if they are sold as a Box Set somewhere else in the world", just because you brought them as "Limited Editions" doesn't mean that they can't be used for a Box Set at a later date as a means for a Re-release or as a means as a single point sale somewhere else.
As I also stated with the "The Complete Pie" it's a slip case with two keepcases inside each with their own EAN's as they had previously been sold as stand alone editions, so just because they had previously been sold as stand alones doesn't preclude them from being used as a Box Set or even as a "Part Work" come to think of it.
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| Registered: May 9, 2008 | | Posts: 467 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting snarbo: Quote:
No, you stated that they should not be treated as a box set because they are sold as such. Correct. I did say that. I said the UPC/EAN that is the profile is NOT sold as a box set. It should not be treated as a box set. The UPC/EAN contains 1 title only. Quote:
I stated "What if they are sold as a Box Set somewhere else in the world", just because you brought them as "Limited Editions" doesn't mean that they can't be used for a Box Set at a later date as a means for a Re-release or as a means as a single point sale somewhere else. I agree they (distributors/Studios) could use was was sold for a Box Set at a later date or as a means for a Re-release. BUT, I strongly disagree they would use the SAME EAN as a single volume as the UPC/EAN the box set is sold as. Note I am not talking about the UPC.EAN of the title inside the box set but the UPC/EAN of the box set. If the UPC/EAN was re-used else where in the world as the box set EAN/UPC then it would be a different local which would mean it is a different profile if I understand correctly. Quote:
As I also stated with the "The Complete Pie" it's a slip case with two keepcases inside each with their own EAN's as they had previously been sold as stand alone editions, so just because they had previously been sold as stand alones doesn't preclude them from being used as a Box Set or even as a "Part Work" come to think of it. Which is correct. "The Complete Pie" is the parent profile with a unique EAN that contains "American Pie: Ultimate Edition" & "American Pie 2: Unseen" each that have their own EANs that are child profiles to the EAN of "The Complete Pie". Your example of "The Complete Pie" is perfectly valid as an example of a box set. What was original single releases that are later included in a box set. The single releases do not become a box set profile. The "The Complete Pie" is the box set. The original discussion was: Quote:
When I bought vol 1, I got the limited edition "starter set" version, which is basically the standard vol 1 release plus a box to hold all 6 volumes. This is either not a box set or a box set with 1 title in my opinion for the profile of the "start set". However as the item was not sold with Volumes 2-6 the profile should not contain the information from the reaming 5 volumes and should not be listed as the parent profile for the remaining 5 volumes. I believe the rules support this as they state: Quote:
The term "Box Set" is used to define any release that includes more than one film. In this case the release contains 1 title. Because it contains 1 title it fails the definition of box set and should not be treated as such. |
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