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Why is my back cover scan on "Iron Man" SteelBook being declined without explanation?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantscottiew
Registered: March 13, 2007
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The existing back cover scan is including the paper backing. Why would that be a proper cover scan and not the actual back of just the "Iron Man" suit? It is a good scan I am trying to get in and it is accurate depicting the actual SteelBook. i can't see how a snot glued paper back is accurate.

and there is no explanation or 0 no 0 yes. just decline.

thanks for help.
DVD Profiler Unlimited Registrantxradman
Registered: June 17, 2002
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Despite your feelings on the matter, the paper back is the correct scan of the back according to the rules.  If you don't like it, keep your scan local and don't contribute it, or better yet, download the beta version of the software, and keep it as part of the gallery for that profile.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributornorthbloke
Registered: March 15, 2007
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I don't have this release, but I think I know what you mean, and Xradman is right - we want the snot glued paper! 

Edit: and I just wanted to point out, the screeners have an awful lot of submissions to go through so unfortunately explanations for declines are rare unless it's for one of the "stock" reasons they use.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Scottie:

They are both absolutely correct, the datasheet is operative back cover. You are free to have whjatever YOU want locally. It has been properly declined and should always be so.

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Quoting xradman:
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Despite your feelings on the matter, the paper back is the correct scan of the back according to the rules.


Quoting skipnet50:
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They are both absolutely correct, the datasheet is operative back cover.


Where is this in the rules?  I ask because I have seen scans rejected due to the "Paper" being used rather then the actual artwork and I have seen scans accepted (mostly of releases with art boxes or steel cases) that did not use the data sheet stuck onto the box or sometimes just under the shrink wrap and not stuck to the box/dvd case.

In look at the rules I see two lines in the cover images that I can see people reading as conflicting.

"The covers must match the profile exactly, including the UPC and locality."

"Images must be of the front and back only. Do not include the spine in either the front or back image. "

The first one I would read as needing the data sheet should be scanned as the UPC in most (but not all) cases is on the data sheet.

The second one I could also read as the front and back only of the box/steel book/etc and not a data sheet included.

I however do not see any note about datasheets.  Was this done in a separate thread in forums? A quick search showed nothing except this thread.

Just looking through my own collection I see a number of inconsistencies of the data sheet vs actual case/art box/etc being used for various release including some I have submitted that were accepted.

If you can point me to something specific about data sheets I would appreciate it.  And then the takes of checking what I have that may need to be corrected

Thanks
Tom
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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        It's a convention that has ALWAYS been so in Profiler going all the way back to pre-rules eight years ago. Tkinnen a convention so widely accepted  and commonplace that I don't believe any of us involved would have considered anything else. As a newb you can't be expected to know that, bu then neither should you pick silly arguments. There are a handful of titles which use a back cover without datasheet, this happens when there is NO data sheet.

You are sounding like the type of uyser who a few years ago would have been saying, "they are just guidelines and we don't HAVE to follow guidelines.

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantMark Harrison
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Sounds like the rules need an update!

And lay off the new guy Skip. I don't see him picking a fight.  Just bringing up a valid point that this information isn't in the rules.  And we both know that had the question be phrased differently your reply would have been "look at the rules"!
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Mark,

I would agree that the rules need to be updated or there should be a post listing any conventions not currently cover in the stickies.

As skip points out I can't be expected to know many of the conventions since by many definitions conventions are unwritten.  However, by the same token that implies that the answer can not be "it's in the rules" in the case of datasheets it in my opinion.

Skip,

My intent was not an argument silly or otherwise.  That is why I attempted to identify the areas in the rules that related to this and asked for a reference to something that clarified the issue as I did not find anything that clearly identified the correct use of datasheets in the rules (we may disagree on this depending on how we interpret the rules).  If the use of datasheets is the accepted convention then I have no issues with that and submitting changes for any profiles I find that are incorrect.

I do however feel that any such conventions not in the rules should be documented in the forums as they are identified and then added to the rules when and if appropriate.

Tom
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Convention has been to always scan the covers as you might see it in the store on its original release format (minus the store or promotional stickers on the cellophane cover).  Since the cover has the paper cardboard overlay for the back, that's what belongs in the online database. That's also the reason why we do not accept revised covers and the rationale behind using slip cover scans instead of normal cover scan in most instances.  Please raise these questions whenever they arise.  Lot of us have been around for a very long time (many, many years including when DVD Profiler was by Intervocative.com), and we sometimes don't realize how puzzling some of our rules and conventions can get.
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I agree, it's refreshing sometimes to have someone with a new outlook on the rules and the database, to point out flaws we've missed or learned to live with.

The you've pointed out, scanning the covers "as you would see them in the shop" is a convention we've all got used to, but is actually missing from the rules!

You keep picking your fights Tom! 
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar Contributorsurfeur51
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I agree, it's refreshing sometimes to have someone with a new outlook on the rules and the database, to point out flaws we've missed or learned to live with.


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