Ok, firstly I HATE polls as I feel no-one ever covers all the options people want...so, feel free to ignore the poll and discuss this topic instead.

The problem that arose with Bewitched Season 3 Cast was regarding the interpretation of the 'standard' and 'non-stadard' credits rule.


Here's what you need to know about the onscreen credits for Bewitched:

OPENING CREDITS
Elizabeth Montgomery
Dick York
Agnes Moorehead as Endora

CLOSING CREDITS (using an example when Agnes Moorehead was NOT listed)
Elizabeth Montgomery as Samantha
Dick York as Darrin
Kasey Rogers as Louise Tate
David White as Larry Tate
Marion Lorne as Aunt Clara


My interpretation of the rules was that everyone involved in the episode was listed in the end credits; and that Agnes Moorehead was omitted because she was not involved - a fact that I later verified visually by choice.

However, others felt that the very fact that her name appears in the opening credits was reason enough to include her in the profile.

This is the ONLY time I have ever encountered a problem with my interpretation of the rules regarding TV shows.
Usually, it's very clear because the main/regular/principal cast members are never repeated in the end credits.

Later seasons of Bewitched did NOT repeat the principal cast in the end credits which made the use of the rule for 'non-standard' credits the only option.

I'm sure there are things I have missed here and may re-edit this post later.

Quoting Giga Wizard:

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Sorry to say: I find your poll verry leading.

And you have a right to that opinion...however, some constructive criticism would be more helpful.

Why do you find it leading?
What could I have done/written to improve it?
Is it possible for me to change it?

Answers to these or other questions would be more helpful than the simple statement you made. Especially as I already stated how I personally feel about polls.

Why do you find it leading? Opening credits Cast are NOT repeated in the End credits
What could I have done/written to improve it?
Is it possible for me to change it? I don't know if you can edit a poll.

Quoting Giga Wizard:

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I agree that it has all to do with the definition:
- Non-Standard Credits
- Standard Credits.
I think a clear definition is needed before anything else.

Which is the reason for this thread.

As I said - feel free to ignore the poll.

What we need is people to discuss their interpretation of the Standard and Non-Standard Credits rule.
I have explained my interpretation (option 2)...but we need to see what others think and then hopefully Gerri/Ken will wade in with their opinions.

I think the poll has been worded incorrectly since both options seem to be mutually exclusive _ and I wanted to select both..

Opening credits Cast are NOT repeated in the End credits - take the cast from BOTH sets of of credits


- this would be where the main cast are never included in the end credits so we need to use both to get a complete set.

Opening credits Cast ARE repeated fully/partially in End credits - take cast from END credits ONLY

- again this is correct. All the cast who are in the episode are included in the end credits - so we should only use the end credits.

Quoting pauls42:

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I think people need to look at the purpose of entering this information. It is so we can get accurate information about the contents of a dvd - including the cast. So we can see all the episodes that someone appeared in.

While I agree in principle. What happens if a show has the main chars only listed in the opening credits - but one of the actors doesn't appear in the actual episode? Is he/she to be left out?

I think people are getting the wrong end of the proverbial stick here.

This discussion is NOT about who can be 'left out' of a profile if they didn't appear in an episode.

This is about where to take the onscreen credits from (appearance in the episode is secondary).

In my experience MOST TV shows only show the principal cast in the opening credits - in this case the 'non-standard' credits rule applies and cast should be taken from BOTH opening and closing credits.

I am sure there are cases where the entire cast from the opening credits is REPEATED in the end credits - this would fall under the 'standard' credits rule and the cast would be taken from the end credits ONLY.

However, with Bewitched, only SOME of the cast were repeated in the end credits - so where should the cast be taken from?
Opening AND Closing credits (option 1)
Closing credits only (option 2)

Whether the actor actually appeared in the episode is irrelevant for deciding how to handle the information.

My viewpoint is simply that if the cast in the end credits repeats SOME or ALL of the opening credits cast then it's the END credits that should be used as these show us who was in the episode.

Others feel that if someone is in the opening credits then they should be included - irrespective of whether or not they are repeated in the end credits.

Lastly (and I'm putting this in capitals for emphasis; not 'cos I'm shouting  )
IGNORE THE POLL (I wish I'd never included the damn thing) AND FOCUS ON THE ISSUE.

Rather than tell me what's wrong with the stupid poll it would be better to discuss the ACTUAL issue we're trying to resolve.
I notice people are voting; but no one's discussing!

Quoting Pantheon:

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Whether the actor actually appeared in the episode is irrelevant for deciding how to handle the information.

My viewpoint is simply that if the cast in the end credits repeats SOME or ALL of the opening credits cast then it's the END credits that should be used as these show us who was in the episode.

Others feel that if someone is in the opening credits then they should be included - irrespective of whether or not they are repeated in the end credits.

If you get different information from the opening credits then the end credits you should include them in the DVD Profiler credits. There is no way to measure the importance of information appearing in the opening credits. The fact that it is in the opening credits should be enough to be credited.