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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorNadja
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In the majority of TV sets, non-episode specific bonus materials are usually presented on the last disc in the set, or perhaps another disc earlier in the set depending upon the episode distribution. Yes, I know this is not univerally so, that's not the point. What I'm asking is, when this IS the situation, what should the relevant disc ID label read? Should the "& bonus materials" be there at all?

I don't think so, it defies the rule which states to only "Use one description per disc" ('Main Feature' - or 'Episodes nn-nn' in this case - clearly being one description and 'Bonus Materials' clearly being another; elsewise what constitutes multiple descriptions?), but I'm getting opposition from one particularly unhelpful user whose position seems to be no more substantial than "it tells me where the bonus materials are". A situation, I might add, which is rectified by disc-level profiling, but this isn't the thread for that.

The general feeling when this came up on the old forums was the "& bonus materials" is not appropriate, which is widely reflected in the voting I've seen on the subject.
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Being the person that started this topic on the old forum... I naturally agree with you. the rules also state...

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These rules apply to all kinds of profiles, but there are two special cases where the rules need clarifications. Where you see the icons shown below, refer to the special instructions at the end of this document. These are titled Movie Box sets and TV Series on DVD.
Box sets containing more than one film
TV Series on DVD

Note: The standard rules do apply for these special cases; the sections clarify specific ways the rules apply to box sets and television series on DVD.


So it is not like the "Use one description per Disc" don't still apply.

Plus another thing is that this "Episodes #-#" and "Bonus Material" is only used on the last disc of the set... andmost sets with extras that I have... there is extras on more then just one disc... I have lots with extras on every disc... whether it is commentaries.. Deleted Scenes... or what have you... so if it is to become an exception to the "Use one description per disc" rule... we will have Episodes #-# and Bonus Materials on every disc that has episodes and bonus materials on it.

I for one don't want to see that... but at the same time if we are to have both descriptions I strongly feel it needs to be that way for every disc in the set that has both Bonus Material and Episodes on the disc. If not you still won't  be like your no voter said... it still won't tell him/her where the bonus materials are with any amount of accuracy.
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FWIW if the set was like Buffy with bonus materials spread out over, say, 4 or 5 of the 6 discs I'd just leave it as Episodes nn-mm on all the discs rather than add which info the Bonus Materials came on.
I don't think we should presently be headed down the route of specifying because the next step will be people specifying which is where and that's just not appropriate.

If the set had just episodes on all the discs except the last one (or first one, which sometimes happens with Pilot + bonus being on Disc 1) which had ALL the bonus materials on then I'd probably add the "& Bonus Materials" on that disc.

It's also important to me that they are consistent across the multiple Seasons of whatever TV Series it is (and this applies to spelling and abbreviations as well...)
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Of course, this whole question becomes moot if you do disc level profiles, because then you can use the Features checkboxes to show everything that on that disc.
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorNadja
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A situation, I might add, which is rectified by disc-level profiling, but this isn't the thread for that.
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The general feeling when this came up on the old forums was the "& bonus materials" is not appropriate, which is widely reflected in the voting I've seen on the subject.


I agree with that. After all, when we have a single disc DVD that contains the main feature and bonus materials, we just label the disc as "Main Feature" not "Main Feature & Bonus Materials".
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In the majority of TV sets, non-episode specific bonus materials are usually presented on the last disc in the set, or perhaps another disc earlier in the set depending upon the episode distribution. Yes, I know this is not univerally so, that's not the point. What I'm asking is, when this IS the situation, what should the relevant disc ID label read? Should the "& bonus materials" be there at all?

I don't think so, it defies the rule which states to only "Use one description per disc" ('Main Feature' - or 'Episodes nn-nn' in this case - clearly being one description and 'Bonus Materials' clearly being another; elsewise what constitutes multiple descriptions?), but I'm getting opposition from one particularly unhelpful user whose position seems to be no more substantial than "it tells me where the bonus materials are". A situation, I might add, which is rectified by disc-level profiling, but this isn't the thread for that.

The general feeling when this came up on the old forums was the "& bonus materials" is not appropriate, which is widely reflected in the voting I've seen on the subject.


The problem is when you try to make a Geberal statement like this, nadja,  you always find the one or mopre that breaks what you think. Try The Addams Family or Magnum PI or anyone of any other TV Series that do not follow your supposed "norm"

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Yes, I know this is not univerally so, that's not the point. What I'm asking is, when this IS the situation, what should the relevant disc ID label read?
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Actually, let's entertain that for a moment. What IS different about the Addams Family and Magnum PI?
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Magnum has Bonus Episode on Disc 1
Addams has commentaries and special features throughout the set.

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Actually, let's entertain that for a moment. What IS different about the Addams Family and Magnum PI?


IIRC I think Magnum PI is one that has the extras (in this case 'freebie' episodes of other series), on the first disc.
FWIW I think it could be treated as you would treat a 'last disc' if it's ALL Bonus Materials on one disc whether it be first or last, as per my post.
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In the majority of TV sets, non-episode specific bonus materials are usually presented on the last disc in the set, or perhaps another disc earlier in the set depending upon the episode distribution.


[EDIT: To Skip, not Voltaire; Voltaire seems to see things in the same way as myself] I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at; you're saying that discs with commentaries and whatnot SHOULD have the "& bonus materials"? A strange position given your campaigning to have TV sets treated akin to movie sets; would you take disc 1 of a 2-disc movie release for example, and label the disc "Main Feature & Bonus Materials" because of the commentary on disc 1, along with trailers, easter eggs, who knows what else.
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There the question would be does a Commentary really fall under Bonus Material for this purpose, it may not. We generally don't seem to think of Commentaries as Bonus Material related to film for that function.

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Who is WE, Skip...? For me a commentary is indeed a Bonus Feature.
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I don't understand why these profiles are exceptions 

If a disc contains episodes and bonus materials, just label the disc with the episodes.

If a disc contains purely bonus materials, then label it as "Bonus Materials".

That means TV discs reflect what we do with movie discs.
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Achim:

But do we list Main Feature and Commentary in the Disc ID description, I haven't seen it...by anyone.

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