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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Registered: March 13, 2007
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We seem to have some users, who are a bit confused by the Rules

A users notes
"Added crew credits from back cover.
Added cast from film and back cover."

The Rules state

"Cast

For the purposes of this section we define "standard" film credits as those where all credited actors involved are listed together in a single section at the end of the film - defined here as the "end credits". The section details both the actor’s Name and the Role that they played in the film. The credits may be listed "in order of appearance", "alphabetical order" or in an order of importance decided by the filmmakers. Some actors may be credited a second time in either credits at either the opening or close of the film.

For any film with standard credits, take the actor information from the end credits only, with names and roles listed exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.  Exception: If the credit information is entirely capitalized, use standard capitalization rules instead.

Use the "As Credited" field where the actor's name differs from the credited name.

If a film does not have standard credits, use the following rules:

    * If a film has actors listed in the opening credits, which are not listed in the end credits, add these to the list in DVD Profiler before those taken from the end credits.
    * If a film has no end credits, but does have actors credited elsewhere, enter the actors from those credits.
    * If an actor is credited by name but does not have an associated role, you may use another source to identify the role. In each case, list Actor’s names and roles (when given) exactly as they are in the credits and in exactly the same order credited.


In addition to the above, the following rules should be followed:

    * For animated films, use the "Voice" checkbox.
    * If puppeteers are included in the end credits include them and append (puppeteer) at the end of the role.
    * If an actor name is only a first name or stage name enter it entirely in the first name field. Examples are Cher, Madonna, Cedric the Entertainer & Queen Latifah.
    * If an actor's credited name includes a nickname, highlighted by ", ’ or ( ), list it in the middle name field. For example John "JS" Smith, John ‘JS’ Smith or John (JS) Smith
    * Articles (such as de, de la, di, von) are entered in the appropriate name field along with the name that they precede. Use the film credits to determine whether the actor capitalizes this article or not.
    * Uncredited actors may be listed in alphabetical order following all credited actors. Use the "Uncredited" checkbox to indicate these. Uncredited actors are not required entries.
    * Do not translate foreign language role names to the language of the locality unless a translation is provided in the film credits.
    * Do not include artificial actor entries to act as separators between cast lists. (e.g. "--JAPANESE CAST--"), instead use the Divider feature for this.

Do not list actors and crew who appear only in special features, or whose scenes were deleted from the main feature, even if they appear in special features.

Do NOT use IMDb style Roman Numerals to distinguish between crew members or actors using the same name"

Now perhaps I am mistaken but there is nowhere in the Rules that allows for anything except the film's credits, the back cover is NEVER mentioned. So such a contribution deserves Yes votes???? I don't think so.

Skip
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorKevin Coed
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Quite frankly I'm amazed. Most contributions I see only say 'added cast'. At least the ones you're getting to vote on are giving a source!
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLopek
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Well what a descriptive thread title. 

And come to think of it the thread itself is no better. Maybe the details of the contribution in question may help people here.

Or is this just a moment?
Andy

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Surely it's more important to know whether the information is accurate or not?
I hope you're not automatically voting no just because they got the info from the wrong place.
If the info from the back cover matches the info in the film credits, what's the harm?
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How do we know the information is accurate?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorCubbyUps
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How do we know the information is accurate?



That's a very good question.

Unless you own the dvd in question, you really don't know what the end credits have listed.

And even if you do, is anyone really going to go put that certain dvd in the player and actually go through the end credits (and if it's a TV series, then every episode) to verify that the information is correct. Especially when you are voting of many contributions at a time.

It's more likely that people are going by their memories and are quickly looking at the cast that is contributed and if looks right to them, then they vote yes.
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How do we know the information is accurate?


Without checking everything ourselves, how do we know any profile is accurate? Just because someone say's they checked the end credits does'nt mean they actually did.
There's a certain degree of trust involved, after awhile you learn which people can be trusted and which can't.

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I was more on about as regards Northbloke's 'if the back cover matches the credits'. Sorry if I was unclear (which I was).
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And even if you do, is anyone really going to go put that certain dvd in the player and actually go through the end credits (and if it's a TV series, then every episode) to verify that the information is correct.


In the case of contributions with crew/cast changes for titles that I have previously contributed myself then, yes, I have done. Sometimes my contribution has had an error. Sometimes the other contributor has made an error.
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Well what a descriptive thread title. 

And come to think of it the thread itself is no better. Maybe the details of the contribution in question may help people here.

Or is this just a moment?



If I had wanted to provide details, I would have. Unlike some people around here, Andrew I have no desire to confront users who CLAIM to follow the Rules, and then vote contrary to them. So take it as general advice to pay attention to what you are doing.

What a maroon

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Quoting northbloke:
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Surely it's more important to know whether the information is accurate or not?
I hope you're not automatically voting no just because they got the info from the wrong place.
If the info from the back cover matches the info in the film credits, what's the harm?


Rarely, if ever, does the back cover contain cast names AND roles so it is doubtful that it is accurate.  The rules are quite clear, the only source for credited cast and crew are the credits.  So yes, I would vote no on these.
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If I had wanted to provide details, I would have. Unlike some people around here, Andrew I have no desire to confront users who CLAIM to follow the Rules, and then vote contrary to them. So take it as general advice to pay attention to what you are doing.

What a maroon

Skip


I am now confused by your original post.  Are you saying people are voting 'yes' to these contributions?  When I first read it I thought you were calling out the person that submitted the changes...which didn't make sense to me because a PM would have been a better choice.  Now, I don't know what the purpose was. 
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorLopek
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Quoting skipnet50:
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If I had wanted to provide details, I would have. Unlike some people around here, Andrew I have no desire to confront users who CLAIM to follow the Rules, and then vote contrary to them. So take it as general advice to pay attention to what you are doing.

What a maroon

Skip

So than? 
Andy

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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Quoting Unicus69:
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Quoting skipnet50:
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If I had wanted to provide details, I would have. Unlike some people around here, Andrew I have no desire to confront users who CLAIM to follow the Rules, and then vote contrary to them. So take it as general advice to pay attention to what you are doing.

What a maroon

Skip


I am now confused by your original post.  Are you saying people are voting 'yes' to these contributions?  When I first read it I thought you were calling out the person that submitted the changes...which didn't make sense to me because a PM would have been a better choice.  Now, I don't know what the purpose was. 


That is what I am saying, Unicus. no confusion, and I deliberately chose to be general in my comments. Unlike, lopek, i don't feel the need to prop up my own self-esteem by taking potshots at every comment someone chooses to make, not do I try to read beyond what is said.

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Billy Video
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Quoting skipnet50:
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If I had wanted to provide details, I would have. Unlike some people around here, Andrew I have no desire to confront users who CLAIM to follow the Rules, and then vote contrary to them. So take it as general advice to pay attention to what you are doing.

What a maroon

Skip

So than? 


Of course it is.

Hey, what do you know, it works for me too.
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There are many users who are voting yes and should be voting no. This has to be do to the sheer volume of contributions.

Just yesterday I found 2 CoO contributions with a t least 10 yes votes and zero no votes. The contribution was blank.  The voters obviously made a mistake since nobody will vote yes on a blano contribution is they are paying attention.

My guess is the voters here are doing something similar. They didn't pick up that the user said cover and not credits.

We all make mistakes. Heck Skip was one who voted yes to the two blank profiles. Perhaps I should have started a thread 
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