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Once Upon a Time in America 5847733219911 – which locality?
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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorNosferatu
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I have Once Upon a Time in America in my collection (bought from CD Wow in 2002) with this EAN and the locality United Kingdom. As it doesn't have any distinguishing features for the UK (certificate or media company), it clearly wasn't released here.

I've searched online and can't find a definitive source for where it was released. The language tracks are English and Portuguese, with English, Portuguese, and Greek subtitles.

At this point, my guess is Portugal, so any help finding the correct locality, or even if this is a legit release, would be appreciated.
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Looking at it, I'd guess the USA. 

(The cover's in English, which rules out Portugal and Greece.)

There's no BBFC, Irish or Australian censor information, which rules out those countries.  A Canadian release would have a bilingual cover.  Which leaves only the States.

But I'm guessing.  (It's in 4:3.  From 2002.  Seriously?)
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If it's the one pictured below, then it's from Brazil, at least according to laserdisken.dk and they are usuallly reliable.

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Quoting AlunH:
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A Canadian release would have a bilingual cover.

Most often, but not always. Some canadian releases have english only covers. They all have the canadian rating block, though, like in:



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Back on topic, I don't believe it is a USA release because of the 13 digits EAN. US Releases have a 12 digits UPC
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If it's the one pictured below, then it's from Brazil, at least according to laserdisken.dk and they are usuallly reliable.


Yes, that's the one. Brazil would make sense because of the Portuguese audio track and subtitles. Thanks 
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Is it a bootleg?  584 isn't a valid country code for any country according to the GS1.

https://www.gs1.org/standards/id-keys/company-prefix
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Is it a bootleg?  584 isn't a valid country code for any country according to the GS1.

https://www.gs1.org/standards/id-keys/company-prefix

I don't know. CD WOW (now WOW HD) is a fairly reputable company, not a fly-by-night operation, so it would surprise me if they had been selling bootlegs.
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I don't know. CD WOW (now WOW HD) is a fairly reputable company, not a fly-by-night operation, so it would surprise me if they had been selling bootlegs.


They were relatively new back then since they started in 2000 and were owned by different owners at that time.  Selling low priced imported CDs is what got them in trouble and DVD was still relatively new.

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The rating should match the country of release. Ratings are not unique, but that would narrow it down. Also note the spelling "colour" on the back cover.
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I came across this scan which only shows Greek subtitles where as the one above lists both English and Greek so their must have been two pressings or a correction at some point.  With the "colour" spelling and English language I'd normally think UK, but the EAN country code doesn't match.  These releases appear to have English and Portuguese language, but it's weird that one version only had Greek subtitles.  You'd think if anything it would be English only subs or English and Portuguese, but not Greek.

However, it appears that WB had the rights in the UK and most of Europe for this title.  Since the rights appear to be split across the world I also wouldn't expect a region ALL release, atleast legally.

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This one just screams BOOTLEG. When I worked as movie buyer for a chain (years ago) I was offered a DVD of Once Upon A Time In America via some shady wholesale. It could even have been this one!

The wholesaler's sellingpoint was that this was the only available version on DVD, which was actually true. That doesn't make it any less... erm... shady. I would keep this title in a local collection only, not contribute it.
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Quoting AlunH:
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  (It's in 4:3.  From 2002.  Seriously?)

Yeah, it's pan and scan.

According to DVD Compare, the Brazilian DVD was released by a company called Flashstar and, making this even more suspicious, the company isn't mentioned on the rear cover.
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In my initial post, I said "even if this is a legit release", so I've always had doubts about its authenticity.

As the GS1 doesn't show 584 is fixed to a country, the lack of any rating details, and no mention of a media company on the cover, I'm inclined to agree with marcelb7 and keep this in my personal database rather than contributing.

As I have two different Blu-ray releases of OUATIA, I'll probably just give this to a charity shop and solve the problem once and for all!
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